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    Quote Originally Posted by Deftextra View Post
    In a sense yes, because from how I understand it is that 23andMe uses actual Somalis as a reference for the east-african component. Company's such as WE-Gene and DNA-land, does not have references which fits Somali's exactly, so they score components with populations which they share ancient ancestry with.
    I perfectly understood what you said

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    Neat thread Swahili_Prince!!

    If you haven't checked it out yet, I'd highly recommend Felipe's site "Tracing African Roots"
    It compares the ancestral results from different companies of Diasporans and Africans of different nationalities -- Felipe also elaborates on some of the "discrepancies" found in admix clusters and populations.

    My results:

     

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    Population: Hidden Content 46.16, Ubangian_Congo 9.56, W_Benue_Congo 24.21, Eastern_HG 2.09, E_Benue_Congo 12.94, Omotic 5.05
    Single Population Sharing: Hidden Content 14.17, Hidden Content 17.26, South_Sudanese 25.21, South_Sudan_Anuak 25.65, Cameroon_Mada 28.57, Ethiopian_Gumuz 33.91, Kenyan_Maasai 36.07, Kenyan_Bantu 38.05, Chad_Kaba 40.04, DRC_Hema 42.08, Kenyan_Luhya 46.64

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiloSaharan View Post
    Neat thread Swahili_Prince!!

    If you haven't checked it out yet, I'd highly recommend Felipe's site Tracing African Roots
    It compares the ancestral results from different companies of Diasporans and Africans of different nationalities -- Felipe also elaborates on some of the "discrepancies" found in admix clusters and populations.

    My results:

    Thanks for sharing the link NiloSaharan! A few results interested me, I'm gonna focus and concentrate more on the results of East Africans for now.

    Two Kikuyus I'm sharing with on 23andme. I didn't know the Masai blood amongst Central and Western Kenya is a major admix component. 60-75% East African? could it be a constant ancient admixture between the Masai and Bantu which has been maintained over time? I myself score almost 1/4 East African with no known Masai ancestor in my bloodline. One of my Kikuyu grandmothers does get confused for being Somalian I gueas thats where the majority of my East African genes come from.

    Another thing I've observed is the low Central African genes amongst them I guess thats accurate IMO
    because the South/Central HG were not really Nomads

    Why are they scoring tiny bits of European, EA/NA and ME/NA could it be from the interaction from the outside world or just the Cushitic admix?

    Here are the two Kikuyus..

    Attachment 10215

    Attachment 10214

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    If you're of predominant SSA ancestry, I wouldn't give much of these DNA companies any merit when it comes to ancestral admixture (especially if you're of NS or East-African ancestry) -- we're a minority within a minority. Unfortunately we're not big enough a market for DNA vendors to focus on meaningful clusters for our region. The same holds true for other groups like Native Americans and many other Asian customers.

    Some of the funniest examples of blatant over-simplification are Ancestry.com's branding of Southeastern Bantu for 1/3 of the continent
    I'm stated as 98% Southeastern Bantu without any regard of my Pygmy, Nilotic and EHG (*however small albeit) affinity which are found in other more comprehensive admix calcs.

    23andMe has a cluster for Sardinians yet has the audacity to brush 100's of millions of East-Africans in one cluster

    For more meaningful labels of African clusters, I'd refer to genealogists who specialize on African populations -- Tishkoff's papers are great examples!

    Here's an extract from the paper stating a K=14 Structure -- I'd rely more on these clusters than most DNA companies -- vendors that don't have similar breakdowns for SSA customers should be dismissed if you're trying to find any meaningful breakdowns of your SSA ancestry:





    Here's another extract with a geographic overlay along with some populations



    Quote Originally Posted by SWAHILLI_PRINCE16 View Post
    ... I didn't know the Masai blood amongst Central and Western Kenya is a major admix component. 60-75% East African? could it be a constant ancient admixture between the Masai and Bantu which has been maintained over time? I myself score almost 1/4 East African with no known Masai ancestor in my bloodline. One of my Kikuyu grandmothers does get confused for being Somalian I gueas thats where the majority of my East African genes come from.

    Another thing I've observed is the low Central African genes amongst them I guess thats accurate IMO
    because the South/Central HG were not really Nomads

    Why are they scoring tiny bits of European, EA/NA and ME/NA could it be from the interaction from the outside world or just the Cushitic admix?

    Here are the two Kikuyus..

    Attachment 10215

    Attachment 10214
    By "Central" are your referring to (Nilo-Saharan)? or Cushitic\NS with "Massai blood"? -- the clusters mentioned in the paper should help clarify the clusters you're referring to. *The last image has a breakdown of different Kenyan's AAC. The labels of ethnicities\tribes don't hold much bearing when we're referring to ancient ancestral clusters -- so there's no such thing as "Masai\East-African genes\components". It'd be better to refrain from using these terms in place of labels such as Cushitic, Nilo-Saharan, Chadic etc. *There are a few exceptions of singular tribes with their own clusters; the tishkoff paper has the Fulani form their own.

    Try not to get too boggled-up with 23andMe's SSA clusters, they've done a very poor job in regards to clustering\referencing native SSA populations -- ex. I score in the mid-high 9% for Pygmy on puntDNAL and DNA.land but score 3.4% on 23andMe's Central African cluster despite them stating this grouping has Biaka and Mbuti Pygmy samples among other HGs which I still didn't score for on their admix calc.

    For someone from Central-Eastern Africa, puntDNAL's Africa only calc has been the most meaningful as of yet.
    Last edited by NiloSaharan; 07-07-2016 at 08:01 PM.
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    Single Population Sharing: Hidden Content 14.17, Hidden Content 17.26, South_Sudanese 25.21, South_Sudan_Anuak 25.65, Cameroon_Mada 28.57, Ethiopian_Gumuz 33.91, Kenyan_Maasai 36.07, Kenyan_Bantu 38.05, Chad_Kaba 40.04, DRC_Hema 42.08, Kenyan_Luhya 46.64

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiloSaharan View Post
    If you're of predominant SSA ancestry, I wouldn't give much of these DNA companies any merit when it comes to ancestral admixture (especially if you're of NS or East-African ancestry) -- we're a minority within a minority. Unfortunately we're not big enough a market for DNA vendors to focus on meaningful clusters for our region. The same holds true for other groups like Native Americans and many other Asian customers.

    Some of the funniest examples of blatant over-simplification are Ancestry.com's branding of Southeastern Bantu for 1/3 of the continent
    I'm stated as 98% Southeastern Bantu without any regard of my Pygmy, Nilotic and EHG (*however small albeit) affinity which are found in other more comprehensive admix calcs.

    23andMe has a cluster for Sardinians yet has the audacity to brush 100's of millions of East-Africans in one cluster

    For more meaningful labels of African clusters, I'd refer to genealogists who specialize on African populations -- Tishkoff's papers are great examples!

    Here's an extract from the paper stating a K=14 Structure -- I'd rely more on these clusters than most DNA companies -- vendors that don't have similar breakdowns for SSA customers should be dismissed if you're trying to find any meaningful breakdowns of your SSA ancestry:





    Here's another extract with a geographic overlay along with some populations:





    By "Central" are your referring to (Nilo-Saharan)? or Cushitic\NS with "Massai blood"? -- the clusters mentioned in the paper should help clarify the clusters you're referring to. *The last image has a breakdown of different Kenyan's AAC. The labels of ethnicities\tribes don't hold much bearing when we're referring to ancient ancestral clusters -- so there's no such thing as "Masai\East-African genes\components". It'd be better to refrain from using these terms in place of labels such Cushitic\Nilo-Saharan etc.

    Try not to get too boggled-up with 23andMe's SSA clusters, they've done a very poor job in regards to clustering\referencing native SSA populations -- ex. I score in the mid-high 9% for Pygmy on puntDNAL and DNA.land but score 3.4% on 23andMe's Central African cluster despite them stating this grouping has Biaka and Mbuti Pygmy samples among other HGs which I still didn't score for on their admix calc.

    For someone from Central-Eastern Africa, puntDNAL's Africa only calc has been the most meaningful as of yet.

    My results again, I didn't properly attach the image links before:

     

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    Ancestry.com









    23andMe









    puntDNAL K8 African only (GEDMatch)

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    Ye it sucks that were unrepresented in the DNA market i heard about the African ancestry project like 1 year ago since then I haven't heard anything

    I agree that shading and representing 1/3 of the African continent as South Eastern Bantu is totally off. When they mean South Eastern Bantu I think they actually mean Bantu not South Eastern it's almost as if they think the two things mean the same. There should be West Eastern and Southen Bantu hope Ancestry makes them improvements in the future

    Your results seem accurate and awesome to me they're not alot different from one test to another they seem to have placed you with the right populations? It's the total opposite to my results however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWAHILLI_PRINCE16 View Post
    Your results seem accurate and awesome to me they're not alot different from one test to another they seem to have placed you with the right populations?
    Please indulge me on how they seem accurate? I wish that were true but it's actually the opposite. If you look at each company's results, they all show different, sometimes starkly opposed percentages for my AAC clusters. I've stated some of the discrepancies in my previous post.


    Again, the most accurate calc' for me is puntDNAL K8; it uses meaningful clusters which bare similarity to those mentioned in the Tishkoff paper -- that might be why the closest estimated oracle population is the Bulala_Chad (another fellow Central-Sudanic Nilo-Saharan speaker) followed by the Alur_Uganda (former CS speakers) -- are these the "right populations" you're refereeing to?

    Why are you consistently shocked by your oracle estimates for population?
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    Single Population Sharing: Hidden Content 14.17, Hidden Content 17.26, South_Sudanese 25.21, South_Sudan_Anuak 25.65, Cameroon_Mada 28.57, Ethiopian_Gumuz 33.91, Kenyan_Maasai 36.07, Kenyan_Bantu 38.05, Chad_Kaba 40.04, DRC_Hema 42.08, Kenyan_Luhya 46.64

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    Whose gotten their Near East Neolithic K13 Oracle results:

    here are my results

    # Population Percent
    1 SUB_SAHARAN 86.25
    2 NATUFIAN 9.99
    3 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 1.36
    4 EHG 1.35
    5 KARITIANA 0.56
    6 CHG_EEF 0.48
    7 SE_ASIAN 0.01

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 54.9% Hadza + 45.1% Gambian @ 1.47
    2 60.9% Hadza + 39.1% Yoruba @ 1.71
    3 60.9% Hadza + 39.1% Esan @ 1.71
    4 64.9% Gambian + 35.1% Masai @ 1.84
    5 78.8% Gambian + 21.2% Somali @ 1.96
    6 59.2% Yoruba + 40.8% Masai @ 2.33
    7 59.2% Esan + 40.8% Masai @ 2.33
    8 90.2% Gambian + 9.8% Natufian @ 2.46
    9 74.5% Esan + 25.5% Somali @ 2.56
    10 74.5% Yoruba + 25.5% Somali @ 2.56
    11 64% Mota + 36% Gambian @ 2.87
    12 69.7% Mota + 30.3% Yoruba @ 3.06
    13 69.7% Mota + 30.3% Esan @ 3.06
    14 87.9% Yoruba + 12.1% Natufian @ 3.31
    15 87.9% Esan + 12.1% Natufian @ 3.31
    16 81.8% Esan + 18.2% Saharawi @ 4.45
    17 81.8% Yoruba + 18.2% Saharawi @ 4.45
    18 85.4% Gambian + 14.6% Saharawi @ 4.53
    19 89% Gambian + 11% Levant_BA @ 4.74
    20 88.4% Gambian + 11.6% Saudi @ 4.82

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    1 SUB_SAHARAN 75.62
    2 NATUFIAN 10.56
    3 CHG_EEF 5.2
    4 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 5.12
    5 SHG_WHG 1.69
    6 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 1.12
    7 KARITIANA 0.67

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Mota 10.04
    2 Hadza 10.28
    3 Masai 19.68
    4 Gambian 25.49
    5 Esan 29.52
    6 Yoruba 29.52
    7 Somali 43.83
    8 Moroccan 63.73
    9 Saharawi 66.46
    10 Algerian 67.27
    11 Yemeni 74.43
    12 Libyan 74.45
    13 Egyptian 75.92
    14 BedouinA 81.04
    15 Jordanian 83.23
    16 Syrian 84.5
    17 Palestinian 84.78
    18 Jew_Libyan 85.53
    19 Lebanese 85.84
    20 Jew_Tunisian 86.64

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 71.5% Gambian + 28.5% Moroccan @ 1.76
    2 68.4% Yoruba + 31.6% Moroccan @ 1.81
    3 68.4% Esan + 31.6% Moroccan @ 1.81
    4 72.6% Gambian + 27.4% Algerian @ 1.89
    5 69.5% Esan + 30.5% Algerian @ 1.9
    6 69.5% Yoruba + 30.5% Algerian @ 1.9
    7 72.4% Gambian + 27.6% Saharawi @ 2.56
    8 69.3% Yoruba + 30.7% Saharawi @ 2.66
    9 69.3% Esan + 30.7% Saharawi @ 2.66
    10 74.7% Gambian + 25.3% Libyan @ 3.79
    11 71.8% Esan + 28.2% Libyan @ 4.08
    12 71.8% Yoruba + 28.2% Libyan @ 4.08
    13 77.3% Gambian + 22.7% Jew_Libyan @ 4.5
    14 75.1% Gambian + 24.9% Egyptian @ 4.55
    15 77.6% Gambian + 22.4% Jew_Tunisian @ 4.79
    16 72.2% Esan + 27.8% Egyptian @ 4.98
    17 72.2% Yoruba + 27.8% Egyptian @ 4.98
    18 74.6% Esan + 25.4% Jew_Libyan @ 5.04
    19 74.6% Yoruba + 25.4% Jew_Libyan @ 5.04
    20 76.4% Gambian + 23.6% BedouinA @ 5.3

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmd View Post
    Interesting

    1 SUB_SAHARAN 75.62
    2 NATUFIAN 10.56
    3 CHG_EEF 5.2
    4 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 5.12
    5 SHG_WHG 1.69
    6 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 1.12
    7 KARITIANA 0.67

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Mota 10.04
    2 Hadza 10.28
    3 Masai 19.68
    4 Gambian 25.49
    5 Esan 29.52
    6 Yoruba 29.52
    7 Somali 43.83
    8 Moroccan 63.73
    9 Saharawi 66.46
    10 Algerian 67.27
    11 Yemeni 74.43
    12 Libyan 74.45
    13 Egyptian 75.92
    14 BedouinA 81.04
    15 Jordanian 83.23
    16 Syrian 84.5
    17 Palestinian 84.78
    18 Jew_Libyan 85.53
    19 Lebanese 85.84
    20 Jew_Tunisian 86.64

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 71.5% Gambian + 28.5% Moroccan @ 1.76
    2 68.4% Yoruba + 31.6% Moroccan @ 1.81
    3 68.4% Esan + 31.6% Moroccan @ 1.81
    4 72.6% Gambian + 27.4% Algerian @ 1.89
    5 69.5% Esan + 30.5% Algerian @ 1.9
    6 69.5% Yoruba + 30.5% Algerian @ 1.9
    7 72.4% Gambian + 27.6% Saharawi @ 2.56
    8 69.3% Yoruba + 30.7% Saharawi @ 2.66
    9 69.3% Esan + 30.7% Saharawi @ 2.66
    10 74.7% Gambian + 25.3% Libyan @ 3.79
    11 71.8% Esan + 28.2% Libyan @ 4.08
    12 71.8% Yoruba + 28.2% Libyan @ 4.08
    13 77.3% Gambian + 22.7% Jew_Libyan @ 4.5
    14 75.1% Gambian + 24.9% Egyptian @ 4.55
    15 77.6% Gambian + 22.4% Jew_Tunisian @ 4.79
    16 72.2% Esan + 27.8% Egyptian @ 4.98
    17 72.2% Yoruba + 27.8% Egyptian @ 4.98
    18 74.6% Esan + 25.4% Jew_Libyan @ 5.04
    19 74.6% Yoruba + 25.4% Jew_Libyan @ 5.04
    20 76.4% Gambian + 23.6% BedouinA @ 5.3
    Nice! I didn't expect the Natufian to be so high on mine i guess it is an ancient calculator that detects mostly Middle Eastern ancestry so its bound to be accurate and consistent with all the mixing going on on the Swahili coast i might not know of 1000s of years ago. I was expecting what most other gedmatch calcs give me 94% SSA 5% Middle Eastern and 1% South Asian so i don't know if this is the calculator for me or not.

    This calc seems to be similar to all your other dna tests? You score SSA in the 70s%

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