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    J1-P58 Copt here-Have a question

    My father's ydna is J1-P58 and we are egyptian copts...I wanted to make mention of where most of my dna relatives are from.

    My father clusters with 2 other saudi males who we share a common paternal ancestor with within the last 900 years and I have a lot of Coptic and Jewish relates... The fact that I have jewish relatives makes me believe that its possible we all share a jewish relative whose descendants ended up in saudi and egypt...

    Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisdandy View Post
    My father's ydna is J1-P58 and we are egyptian copts...I wanted to make mention of where most of my dna relatives are from.

    My father clusters with 2 other saudi males who we share a common paternal ancestor with within the last 900 years and I have a lot of Coptic and Jewish relates... The fact that I have jewish relatives makes me believe that its possible we all share a jewish relative whose descendants ended up in saudi and egypt...

    Anyone have any thoughts on this?
    Did you add your sample to FTDNA DNA project?...and in case you did in which project if you don't mind?

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    What is your most recent SNP under P58?

    By the way J1 Haplogroup is NOT rare at all in Copts,Nubians and Baja people

    Hassan ET AL.JPG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon_74 View Post
    What is your most recent SNP under P58?

    By the way J1 Haplogroup is NOT rare at all in Copts,Nubians and Baja people

    Hassan ET AL.JPG
    Our terminal snp is p-58...nothing below that... why are you clustering copts, nubians and beja people? Is it fair to say that the J1 in these peoples came from intermingling with arabian people in ancient times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon_74 View Post
    Did you add your sample to FTDNA DNA project?...and in case you did in which project if you don't mind?
    I am in the ydna j1 project with ftdna... https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisdandy View Post
    Our terminal snp is p-58...nothing below that... why are you clustering copts, nubians and beja people? Is it fair to say that the J1 in these peoples came from intermingling with arabian people in ancient times?
    Dear Lifeisdandy,

    J1 Haplogroup is much older than of all those relatively "modern" historic names such as Arabs,Copts,Hebrews,Nubians and Beja people...etc.
    Actually I didn't cluster your sample.I do not even know what your kit number is!.I'm just stating that the presence of J1 haplogroup in Copts and Nubians is fairly normal according to genetic studies (Hassan ET AL).Your case doesn't need to be an "Arabized" or "judaized" Copt scenario in your case ,unless you have a clear genetic cluster with historical recent terminal SNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisdandy View Post
    I am in the ydna j1 project with ftdna... https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults
    Kindly, can you give your (kit number) and mention your closest genetic match if you don't mind,inorder to give better assessment?

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    265928 please take a look and let me know please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisdandy View Post
    265928 please take a look and let me know please.
    your kit seems "Upstream" and belong to a very old genetic line near the basal split of the mutation P-58
    It has clear distinction away from old Yemeni genetic lines such as the Khawlani (Y4067) and Mehri (L93) and may represent an early prehistoric migration from the Levant towards the Nile valley via the Sinai peninsula (may have Isolated traces around both sides of the Red Sea ?).As I already told you before upstream J1 lines are not rare in your region ,and the limited data base for J1 Copts ,Nubians ...etc may harden the possibility of giving a strong preliminary assessment for your current cluster (YACII=17-22).Unfortunately the information available by your current test is limited and it may need further test such as the Big Y test.

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    Thank you for that. What will a big y test show?

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