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    Quote Originally Posted by robhart View Post
    Hello,

    I have got no further testing so far. The results of the different ydna-tools are - suprise: - different. One of this Tools says to me the the most recent common ancestor of me with the R1b STR47 was about 300 years ago. So I think it could be the "Dreißigjährige Krieg" 1618-1648, but that´s just an idea. I can follow my paternal line until the 18th century to Nordenham, Friesland.
    "R1b STR47"? That sounds like some very old John McEwan stuff. Where did you get that?

    If you really want to know about your y-chromosome line, you're going to have to test with Family Tree DNA. You can start with a simple (and relatively inexpensive) 37-marker STR test and work up from there.
     


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    Hi,

    it is the www.mymcgee.com Website. It says to me:

    Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (Years)

    ID modal R1bSTR47 Scots 90 Years

    But yesterday it said to me 300 years to the TMRCA. I will get a further test to be quite sure. These tests and tools do confuse me.

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    I see that page was last updated in 2011.

    "STR47" was one of John McEwan's old 37-marker clusters. John did good work back in the day and helped a lot of people, but he quit being active a long time ago. His old clusters aren't really of any use anymore, having been rendered obsolete by NGS SNP testing.
     


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    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
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    Hello to everyone! I'm Daniel, from Chile (obviously spain ancestry: my paternal line come to the Americas in 1555 from Burgos). I did too the prediction from Morley (from MyHeritage raw data) and also got an PF6093 result. It's curious to me how the three persons I have contacted with pf6093 did the prediction with MH raw file. i dont know if it is related. Well, in an facebook group of iberic genealogy i was told that the pf6093 is same as BY114, but I dont know. The other thing giving me doubts is the red background on L21 but still collapsing in df41 and pf6093. I did an y37 on ftDNA (still waiting the results, with hopes of upgrading it with the time), so maybe on that way the doubts will be cleared. (I've attached the screen cap).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baraona View Post
    Hello to everyone! I'm Daniel, from Chile (obviously spain ancestry: my paternal line come to the Americas in 1555 from Burgos). I did too the prediction from Morley (from MyHeritage raw data) and also got an PF6093 result. It's curious to me how the three persons I have contacted with pf6093 did the prediction with MH raw file. i dont know if it is related. Well, in an facebook group of iberic genealogy i was told that the pf6093 is same as BY114, but I dont know. The other thing giving me doubts is the red background on L21 but still collapsing in df41 and pf6093. I did an y37 on ftDNA (still waiting the results, with hopes of upgrading it with the time), so maybe on that way the doubts will be cleared. (I've attached the screen cap).

    Screenshot_20190529-065637_Chrome.jpg

    Cheers!
    Once you get your results from FTDNA, you can get a SNP test, perhaps even the Big Y-700, and know for sure.

    We do have a fair-sized Spanish contingent in the DF41 Project, so a positive result wouldn't be a big surprise.
     


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    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Once you get your results from FTDNA, you can get a SNP test, perhaps even the Big Y-700, and know for sure.

    We do have a fair-sized Spanish contingent in the DF41 Project, so a positive result wouldn't be a big surprise.
    We appear to so far have at least two distinct Iberian origin DF41 lineages, with a BigY in each. As both don't share any SNP's other than the DF41 equivalents it wouldn't surprise me if there was a couple more distinct lines with origins in what is now Spain and Portugal.
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    Hi All, got my Big Y500 to Y700 completed today, no change in terminal
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    Quote Originally Posted by simdadams View Post
    Hi All, got my Big Y500 to Y700 completed today, no change in terminal
    I'm still waiting on mine. It's been delayed several times.

    Not sure what it'll do for me when it finally arrives - if ever. I look on it as keeping up with the Joneses, staying on the cutting edge, blah, blah, blah.
     


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    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Hi. I wanted to make a theoretical consultation to those who know the most. My question is quite neophyte, and it is based on “logical” conclusions that may be wrong due to lack of basic knowledge.

    Both, a contact and I share, according to the Morley predictor, haplogroup R-pf6093 (R1b1a2a1a2c1i – 2 △), as I have tell you before. We have both requested Y analysis ( he a Y37 and I have just updated mine to Y67)

    As he lives in Spain, and I in Chile, we know that if I have a common ancestor this must be before 1550 (approximate date of arrival of my ancestor to America), minimum 15 generations, so in the autosomal comparisons of gedmatch , with a threshold in 7cM nothing appears.

    But if it drops the threshold to 5cM (where the possibility of false positive is greater), a 5.6 cM appears in the 22 chromosome (21,409,191-23,742,049).

    If it drops to threshold 4cM, one more 5.0cM segment appears in the 14 (21,484,183-22,377,212)

    If it goes down to 3 on the threshold, 9 more segments appear for a total of 40.0 cM; at a threshold of 2cM, 34 segments of 94.3cM total.

    And well, if it keeps going down, it keeps growing exponentially. With just 1cM threshold, there are 125 shared segments and 226.8 cM total.

    I did the same experiment with other gedmatch kits that marked us 0 in 7cM, and when I arrived at 1cM with luck I marked, with only very small segments, 10 to 15cM in total.

    Could it be that indeed any of these segments of 3 to 5 cM can give us clues of a common ancestor, reducing the chances of false positives??? Or im trying to dig to deep? I know I have to wait the Y results, but Im very entgusiastic right now. Sorry.

    Thanks!

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    I wouldn't make too much of those low level autosomal dna matches. I am no expert, but they could be due to both of you just having the same general Spanish background, your ancestors having swum in the same broad gene pool, etc.

    You're going to have to wait for your y-dna results.
     


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    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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