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Thread: Distribution map of Y-DNA R-Z36 in Italy

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    They could be the ancient Insubres

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insubres

    instead of lombard .................since the Lombards also settled in Vienna area of Austria , is there any Z36 there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    They could be the ancient Insubres

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insubres

    instead of lombard .................since the Lombards also settled in Vienna area of Austria , is there any Z36 there?
    Or Camuni from the Val Camonica?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    Or Camuni from the Val Camonica?
    Cumuni , linguistically are related to Venetic , Raetic, Magre languages...............are they the same branch of people.?
    The venetic people absorbed many of the Euganei people . The Euganei are the camunni people

    Against Strabo, Pliny considers the Lepontii as a Celtic tribe akin to the Taurisci and classifies the Camunni as a tribe of the Euganei people of northeast Italy, together with the Trumplini of the neighbouring valley, Val Trompia.[19]


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    Maybe Z36 is Helvetian.

    Is there not some connection to the Canegrate and Golasecca cultures according to Bertoncini?
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    It is interesting that Z36 is most concentrated between the Swiss and French Jura and northern Tuscany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morges View Post
    This one overlap better with Celt and Lepontic area, the presence in inner Campania has to do with the deportation of Celto-Ligures in the Roman times, around Beneventum.
    Something that might of help to me, thank you. My name is found primarily in Vitulano about 8 kilometers west of Benevento. I test as L2.
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    The Z36 and L2 maps on this forum do not agree with Bertoncini's Apuani study as Bertoncini suggests that L2 is relatively rare in NW Tuscany.

    Boattini's study on the other hand seems to show a heavy L2 presence in the La Spezia/Massa provinces, old ancient "Apuani" country, which straddles the Tuscany/Liguria border.

    Can anybody explain this dichotomy?
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    While I suspect Z36 originated in the French Jura, the distribution of Z36 seems to correlate with the Golasecca culture.
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    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
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    Hello , the only I know is that I am a Z36 >R BY1106:)

    Hello everyone, I am fully new to DNA analyses and I really know very little of it, even how to read my tests results honestly : R1b -U152 > Z36 > ( L671) > A7966 >A7967 > R BY1106.( hope I wrote it properly).

    I am of Italian nationality and the known origins of my family in both sides are mainly from Massa in Tuscany, Trieste and I may have a Swiss link in the French speaking canton de Vaud.
    As Italy is clearly populated since ages by different ethnicities I am interested to know from really "where " I come from

    So what is most interesting to me, would be to understand more about the ancient ethnic origins of my forefathers and for this I am already very grateful to Passa and Mitchellsince1893 who posted those maps.
    Those data represent now the only things "known" to me at the present moment . I read in Eupedia , from (where a very helpful English participant sent me here ), that Z36 should be the very Celtic branch in the U 152 tree, but that's all I know or ...think to know

    I made a first DNA test with FTDNA ( Family finder ) don't moths ago and later I purchased a GENO 2:0 making a full transfer of the results to my DNA account 556750.

    I could just find in R U152 Group on FTDNA, a man , Samuel Spiker who lived in 1760-1826 ( and his full DNA results seems to be important as paternal ancestor of a Spicer family project ) , as the only one with my same haplogroup R BY 1106 .

    I would be grateful and really appreciate to be helped and driven in understanding a bit more of my line and where to look and what to study to learn more .

    If I made some involuntary mistakes or breached any rules please forgive me as I am at my very first post and I found a lot of great informations in this site.

    I will have no problems of course to share my files with anyone who would be interested in helping me to swim in these charts
    I guess I have most of the replies in my files but I can't read them
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