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    Quote Originally Posted by Francesco62 View Post
    Hello everyone, I am fully new to DNA analyses and I really know very little of it, even how to read my tests results honestly : R1b -U152 > Z36 > ( L671) > A7966 >A7967 > R BY1106.( hope I wrote it properly).

    I am of Italian nationality and the known origins of my family in both sides are mainly from Massa in Tuscany, Trieste and I may have a Swiss link in the French speaking canton de Vaud.
    As Italy is clearly populated since ages by different ethnicities I am interested to know from really "where " I come from

    So what is most interesting to me, would be to understand more about the ancient ethnic origins of my forefathers and for this I am already very grateful to Passa and Mitchellsince1893 who posted those maps.
    Those data represent now the only things "known" to me at the present moment . I read in Eupedia , from (where a very helpful English participant sent me here ), that Z36 should be the very Celtic branch in the U 152 tree, but that's all I know or ...think to know

    I made a first DNA test with FTDNA ( Family finder ) don't moths ago and later I purchased a GENO 2:0 making a full transfer of the results to my DNA account 556750.

    I could just find in R U152 Group on FTDNA, a man , Samuel Spiker who lived in 1760-1826 ( and his full DNA results seems to be important as paternal ancestor of a Spicer family project ) , as the only one with my same haplogroup R BY 1106 .

    I would be grateful and really appreciate to be helped and driven in understanding a bit more of my line and where to look and what to study to learn more .

    If I made some involuntary mistakes or breached any rules please forgive me as I am at my very first post and I found a lot of great informations in this site.

    I will have no problems of course to share my files with anyone who would be interested in helping me to swim in these charts
    Hi, nice to see your post. I have BY1106 too and several SNPs downstream. I attach a screenshot from Big Tree (I'm "Konther" with the German flag). You should join the FTDNA R U152 group. Besides this, there is a Z36 Facebook group as well. Z36 is considered as Alpin Celtic. What is the origin of your paternal line (the Y-chromosome line), Toscana?

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    Last edited by CelticGerman; 12-26-2016 at 10:09 AM.
    Known ancestry: 92.6% German (66.8% North German), 4.7% Danish, 1.8% Czech, 0.8% Austrian, 0.1% Swiss.
    EUROGENES K13: N German, N Dutch, DNK, SWE, NOR. Ancestry: Germanic 75%, Sweden 13%, Norway 11%, Baltic 1%. LM: NOR, DNK, NLD, N-DEU, SWE.
    23andMe: NW Europe 82.5% (French/German 50.2%, Scandinavian 9.1%, British/Irish 3.2%), East Europe 11.5%, South Europe 1.5%. DNAL: NW Euro 81%, NE Euro 11%, Med 6.5%
    Y-DNA: R1b/U152/Z36/CTS4333, Thuringia 1634, probably Alsace 1552, -- mt-DNA: H

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    Hi CelticGerman, thank you for your nice reply .
    i already joined the group in Ftdna as I treceived the results.

    Trough Geno 2:0 I must have most of the answers if not all inside my result files ...but I can't just read it alone

    Most of my family comes from both sides from Massa in Toscana , and a possible ancestor in the French part of Switzerland. On my mother line she is an Ursula U5B1

    I have no real clue in how to read this Big tree Konther, this is very frustrating ..
    Apparently I can't post pics of my own haplogroup screenshot yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francesco62 View Post
    Hi CelticGerman, thank you for your nice reply .
    i already joined the group in Ftdna.

    Trough Geno 2:0 I must have most of the answers if not all inside my result files ...but I can't just read it alone

    Most of my family comes from both sides from Massa in Toscana ,one grandfather from Trieste and a probable ancestor in the French part of Switzerland. On my mother line she is an Ursula U5B1

    I have no real clue in how to read this Big tree Konther, this is very frustrating ..
    No reason for being frustrated. It needs some time to understand. I'm learning every day too. There are people able to explain better than I do, but if you take the initial R1b SNP all following SNPs represent mutations allowing to create sub-groups (giving regional classification in some cases). Does your purely paternal line (father, grandfather, great-grandfather etc.) came from Massa as well?
    Known ancestry: 92.6% German (66.8% North German), 4.7% Danish, 1.8% Czech, 0.8% Austrian, 0.1% Swiss.
    EUROGENES K13: N German, N Dutch, DNK, SWE, NOR. Ancestry: Germanic 75%, Sweden 13%, Norway 11%, Baltic 1%. LM: NOR, DNK, NLD, N-DEU, SWE.
    23andMe: NW Europe 82.5% (French/German 50.2%, Scandinavian 9.1%, British/Irish 3.2%), East Europe 11.5%, South Europe 1.5%. DNAL: NW Euro 81%, NE Euro 11%, Med 6.5%
    Y-DNA: R1b/U152/Z36/CTS4333, Thuringia 1634, probably Alsace 1552, -- mt-DNA: H

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticGerman View Post
    No reason for being frustrated. It needs some time to understand. I'm learning every day too. There are people able to explain better than I do, but if you take the initial R1b SNP all following SNPs represent mutations allowing to create sub-groups (giving regional classification in some cases). Does your purely paternal line (father, grandfather, great-grandfather etc.) came from Massa as well?
    Hope to be soon ready to read and understand it too
    After my great -grandfather unfortunately I don't know. But as in Massa there was a longobard stronghold in high middle age ...who knows maybe this explain why we have some sub groups in common
    But as far as I know Tuscany and norhbern Italy have a very strong Celtic -alpine background

    I don't think to have the powers to publish a screenshot of my results ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francesco62 View Post
    Hope to be soon ready to read and understand it too
    After my great -grandfather unfortunately I don't know. But as in Massa there was a longobard stronghold in high middle age ...who knows maybe this explain why we have some sub groups in common
    But as far as I know Tuscany and norhbern Italy have a very strong Celtic -alpine background

    I don't think to have the powers to publish a screenshot of my results ...
    Most advanced experts should have a look on your SNP-results. Maybe you could send it to my e-mail ([email protected]). I could forward it to a real expert, if you like ....
    Known ancestry: 92.6% German (66.8% North German), 4.7% Danish, 1.8% Czech, 0.8% Austrian, 0.1% Swiss.
    EUROGENES K13: N German, N Dutch, DNK, SWE, NOR. Ancestry: Germanic 75%, Sweden 13%, Norway 11%, Baltic 1%. LM: NOR, DNK, NLD, N-DEU, SWE.
    23andMe: NW Europe 82.5% (French/German 50.2%, Scandinavian 9.1%, British/Irish 3.2%), East Europe 11.5%, South Europe 1.5%. DNAL: NW Euro 81%, NE Euro 11%, Med 6.5%
    Y-DNA: R1b/U152/Z36/CTS4333, Thuringia 1634, probably Alsace 1552, -- mt-DNA: H

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    With Big pleasure and grateful , but just the main haplogroup file or anything else I could get in my Ftdna ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francesco62 View Post
    With Big pleasure and grateful , but just the main haplogroup file or anything else I could get in my Ftdna ?
    If you are on FTDNA you should join the following project (I can't find your file there until now): www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b-u152

    They will add your file to the corresponding branch. It's concerning only your purely paternal line.
    Known ancestry: 92.6% German (66.8% North German), 4.7% Danish, 1.8% Czech, 0.8% Austrian, 0.1% Swiss.
    EUROGENES K13: N German, N Dutch, DNK, SWE, NOR. Ancestry: Germanic 75%, Sweden 13%, Norway 11%, Baltic 1%. LM: NOR, DNK, NLD, N-DEU, SWE.
    23andMe: NW Europe 82.5% (French/German 50.2%, Scandinavian 9.1%, British/Irish 3.2%), East Europe 11.5%, South Europe 1.5%. DNAL: NW Euro 81%, NE Euro 11%, Med 6.5%
    Y-DNA: R1b/U152/Z36/CTS4333, Thuringia 1634, probably Alsace 1552, -- mt-DNA: H

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    I have joined the project the following day that I proceeded in transferring my files from Genographic to Ftdna but as I haven't received any mail I guess nothing was done as it instead happens on my X side .

    I just sent you a mail with the Ftdna final file .

    I will never thank you enough dear Co -BY 1106

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    Hi

    I am brianco on Eupedia I am glad you managed to register here too!

    On here Konther and Monnier also have BY1106

    http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=425


    Quote Originally Posted by Francesco62 View Post
    Hello everyone, I am fully new to DNA analyses and I really know very little of it, even how to read my tests results honestly : R1b -U152 > Z36 > ( L671) > A7966 >A7967 > R BY1106.( hope I wrote it properly).

    I am of Italian nationality and the known origins of my family in both sides are mainly from Massa in Tuscany, Trieste and I may have a Swiss link in the French speaking canton de Vaud.
    As Italy is clearly populated since ages by different ethnicities I am interested to know from really "where " I come from

    So what is most interesting to me, would be to understand more about the ancient ethnic origins of my forefathers and for this I am already very grateful to Passa and Mitchellsince1893 who posted those maps.
    Those data represent now the only things "known" to me at the present moment . I read in Eupedia , from (where a very helpful English participant sent me here ), that Z36 should be the very Celtic branch in the U 152 tree, but that's all I know or ...think to know

    I made a first DNA test with FTDNA ( Family finder ) don't moths ago and later I purchased a GENO 2:0 making a full transfer of the results to my DNA account 556750.

    I could just find in R U152 Group on FTDNA, a man , Samuel Spiker who lived in 1760-1826 ( and his full DNA results seems to be important as paternal ancestor of a Spicer family project ) , as the only one with my same haplogroup R BY 1106 .

    I would be grateful and really appreciate to be helped and driven in understanding a bit more of my line and where to look and what to study to learn more .

    If I made some involuntary mistakes or breached any rules please forgive me as I am at my very first post and I found a lot of great informations in this site.

    I will have no problems of course to share my files with anyone who would be interested in helping me to swim in these charts
    I guess I have most of the replies in my files but I can't read them
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solothurn View Post
    Hi

    I am brianco on Eupedia I am glad you managed to register here too!

    On here Konther and Monnier also have BY1106

    http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=425
    You are the first who drove me to find our the R - Z36 family last night I could finally "open the doors" and found a really welcoming and friendly Celtic German - Konther

    Really glad to be closer to my answers and thanks again

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