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Thread: Distribution map of Y-DNA R-Z56 in Italy

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    Looks very Italic, more or less what I expected, odds are this marker is tied to the earliest Italic-speaking communities.
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    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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    This confirm that Elimi were Italic like Lejeune and Laura Biondi have said in linguistic studies and Luigi Bernabˇ Brea and Rosa Albanese Procelli have said in archeological findings, otherwise should be little in the west and stronger in the east.
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    Isn't there a specific subclade of Z56 associated to Italic speaker ? I like the idea of Z56 being proto-italic. But I am the only one along a sardinian to not be "22087296" (know also as BY3548) positive. And the Z56 present on the map you did, passa, are most likely to be also 100% BY3548 .

    What also strike me is the absence of Z56 in north west and north east of Italy.
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    Last edited by Il PapÓ; 08-01-2016 at 12:28 AM.

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