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    Quote Originally Posted by Aben Aboo View Post
    I had seen Z2116 its seems originally italic sub-clade, born mainly around in North Italy/Alps area
    https://indo-european.eu/2020/03/ita...ramare-elites/
    I18130 (the human remains) is the oldest Z2118 (also known as PF7589) found to date. I18130 also has the subclade Z2116 (CTS6889). Z2116 (CTS10379) is a "son" of PF7589 and a "father" to CTS6889.
    I18130 dates to 1400-1200 BCE. However the ECA of PF7589 is ~3100 BCE and CTS6889 is ~2500 BCE. A lot of movement can happen in 1300 years. I'd be very hesitant to narrow PF75889's homeland to such a small region with only one relatively young data point.

    As @lupriac mentioned above, there are many PF7589 who don't appear to have italic origins. For instance WEZ57 might be PF7589. It looks like he grew up in Scandinavia and died at Tollense Valley ~1300-1200 BCE.

    I agree with @lupriac that the most we can say right now is that it likely exploded in Central Europe.

    I haven't seen a basal Z2116 before. All the Z2116+ so far in FTDNA and YFull falls under CTS6889 or Y5914. YFull does list a (possible) basal PF7589 from Turkey. Out of curiosity where might you paternal line derive? The modern distribution of ancient haplogroups isn't reflective of its origin but it is interesting to see how far it's travelled
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    Well, I had my cousin (direct male line for mom's side of the female) take the Y-111 test. It came back as M269. I took the advice of someone on another post here and uploaded the info to NEVGEN (my results are below). What's strange to me is that my cousin's half brother took the 23andme test (they share the same father) and his results came back as R-Z159. Am I correct that 23andme gave a more detailed haplogroup than FTDNA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBHeadge View Post
    I18130 (the human remains) is the oldest Z2118 (also known as PF7589) found to date. I18130 also has the subclade Z2116 (CTS6889). Z2116 (CTS10379) is a "son" of PF7589 and a "father" to CTS6889.
    I18130 dates to 1400-1200 BCE. However the ECA of PF7589 is ~3100 BCE and CTS6889 is ~2500 BCE. A lot of movement can happen in 1300 years. I'd be very hesitant to narrow PF75889's homeland to such a small region with only one relatively young data point.

    As @lupriac mentioned above, there are many PF7589 who don't appear to have italic origins. For instance WEZ57 might be PF7589. It looks like he grew up in Scandinavia and died at Tollense Valley ~1300-1200 BCE.

    I agree with @lupriac that the most we can say right now is that it likely exploded in Central Europe.

    I haven't seen a basal Z2116 before. All the Z2116+ so far in FTDNA and YFull falls under CTS6889 or Y5914. YFull does list a (possible) basal PF7589 from Turkey. Out of curiosity where might you paternal line derive? The modern distribution of ancient haplogroups isn't reflective of its origin but it is interesting to see how far it's travelled
    All right thanks,I see, yeah it's under CTS6889, for a friend. Interesting if you have another thing about it, you are welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stolfi View Post
    Well, I had my cousin (direct male line for mom's side of the female) take the Y-111 test. It came back as M269. I took the advice of someone on another post here and uploaded the info to NEVGEN (my results are below). What's strange to me is that my cousin's half brother took the 23andme test (they share the same father) and his results came back as R-Z159. Am I correct that 23andme gave a more detailed haplogroup than FTDNA?
    In this case, R-Z159 is more precise than just M269
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z159/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stolfi View Post
    Well, I had my cousin (direct male line for mom's side of the female) take the Y-111 test. It came back as M269. I took the advice of someone on another post here and uploaded the info to NEVGEN (my results are below). What's strange to me is that my cousin's half brother took the 23andme test (they share the same father) and his results came back as R-Z159. Am I correct that 23andme gave a more detailed haplogroup than FTDNA?
    It's very important to not get different concepts mingled up: the result of an STR test is a set of STRs, period. M269 is a SNP and is the result from a SNP test. Don't let testing companies or their reps merge the two ideas.

    Virtually every day we get someone new on this board complaining that they took a large STR test and haven't advanced their haplogroup (most detailed SNP).
    If anyone does a 23andMe test and an FTDNA STR test they will get a more detailed terminal SNP at 23andMe. It still won't be fully detailed though. To get the most accurate SNP as already mentioned you need a haplogroup test (YSEQ and FTDNA sell them) or a sequencing test (loads of firms now sell these eg YSEQ, Nebula, Dante, or even ftdna).

    If you take any further test make sure the product description explicitly mentions SNPs. If it doesn't, it almost certainly isn't a haplogroup test.
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    Hi,

    I did myheritage DNA test, collected raw DNA and used Moley's for my Y-DNA. I can't figure out this results:

    most likely: R1b1a2a1a2c1i~2 (very light green, no deep green in this mark)
    R1b-PF6093

    than, when i changed lines i put every last green colour:

    R1b1a2a1a2c1i~2 PF6093 (last green in second)
    R1b1a2a1a2c1a1a1~6 CTS655, L753, (last green in third)
    R1b1a2a1a2c M529/L21/S145, (last green in fourth)
    R1b1a2a1a2b3b S47 (last green in fifth)
    R1b1a2a1a2a1b3~2 L421, L433, L88R (last green in sixth)

    Anyone knows what does it means?
    Last edited by Anoraki; 05-11-2021 at 08:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stolfi View Post
    Well, I had my cousin (direct male line for mom's side of the female) take the Y-111 test. It came back as M269. I took the advice of someone on another post here and uploaded the info to NEVGEN (my results are below). What's strange to me is that my cousin's half brother took the 23andme test (they share the same father) and his results came back as R-Z159. Am I correct that 23andme gave a more detailed haplogroup than FTDNA?
    The reasons for taking an Y STR test are different than Y SNP test.
    Knowing what haplogroup you are via a fixed SNP test like 23andMe is not very useful to most people. Finding where you fit on the Y tree 3000 years ago is not very precise. Likewise, a Y STR panel test gives only a prediction. The reason people do Y STR panels is to insert themselves into the largest Y DNA matching database (about 700,000 records).
    STRs are better for finding potential relatives.
    If you want a precise haplogroup on the Y tree you need an SNP discovery (Next Generation Sequencing) like Big Y700.
    Big Y700 is really two tests in one. It is an SNP discovery test and a Y111 STR Panel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anoraki View Post
    Hi,

    I did myheritage DNA test, collected raw DNA and used Moley's for my Y-DNA. I can't figure out this results:

    most likely: R1b1a2a1a2c1i~2 (very light green, no deep green in this mark)
    R1b-PF6093

    than, when i changed lines i put every last green colour:

    R1b1a2a1a2c1i~2 PF6093 (last green in second)
    R1b1a2a1a2c1a1a1~6 CTS655, L753, (last green in third)
    R1b1a2a1a2c M529/L21/S145, (last green in fourth)
    R1b1a2a1a2b3b S47 (last green in fifth)
    R1b1a2a1a2a1b3~2 L421, L433, L88R (last green in sixth)

    Anyone knows what does it means?
    I got my MyHeritage test a few years back as advised by experts on this forum because it tested more SNPs than other tests. I don't know if your test is same or they have changed it since then. When I ran my data through some tools to find out my Y subclade it gave me IJ https://www.yfull.com/tree/IJ/, while my brother's WGS test shows him as J-ZS3698 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-ZS3698/. So in my opinion it is a useless test if you are trying to find out your Y subclade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anoraki View Post
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