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    Extremely disappointed in my dad's Geno 2.0 NG results.

    I can't believe it, but for all of their talk about having added so many new mtDNA and Y-DNA haplogroup SNP tests, supposedly bringing it to fully up to date mtDNA and getting close to current complete Y-SNP results instead my dad's results came back less detailed than his old test from them!! Not only did they not test more SNPs for him, they tested less!!!!!!!!!!

    They haven't updated anything at all either.

    He actually was provided more general results and even less maps and background info than he had been with the old test!

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    Disappointing, true. Sorry to hear that!

    But Devil's Advocate: Part of science is sometimes realizing that, "Oh man, we overstated things before. Now that we have more data, we have to walk things back and be a bit more general." I'm not an expert, but the more I hear, the more I think this has happened with Next Gen. For example it could be that a particular set of SNPs that they previously thought indicated certain regional ancestry associations, now seem not to support that hypothesis. So instead of being more precise, they've actually had to rework things in that case to be more broad, based on where the data led them. This is just a hypothetical, but it sometimes happens in science. And this is an example of GOOD science, not bad.

    But again, just hypothetical Devil's Advocate.

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    I don't think so, since, for instance, not just the older test but also 23 and James Lick mtDNA tool gives me more detail than the new test. He went from V3 to just V. One would have hoped instead it would have gone from V3 to say V3c or something, if not more.
    And the Y result is just the same or less than all the old tests gave.

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    I bet he had a ton of miscalls and instead of re-running it they just handed out these feeble results. 23 is known for being out of date for halplogroups and even they gave more detail than his new test.

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    Yeah, I don't know. I look forward to the next year or so as more Next Gen results come out so we can have a clearer picture of what might have happened. Since Next Gen has only been available since Aug 2015 and it takes roughly 3 months to get results, we only have about 5 months of results from anyone anywhere in the world to talk about! And so far not many people are talking yet.

    So far you and I and a few others are sort of scratching our heads in a vague darkness.

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    Man, I did the basic FTDNA transfer (not the full) and it out and out shows that they tested more SNPs for R-L20 on the old kit than with the new one! The new test has less results that came back positive/negative than the old one! How can that be with all their talk about radically expanding Y-haplogroup SNPs!

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    For mtDNA they don't even test for V1,V2,V3, etc. now! Much less break say V3 down into sub-groups! All they give you is a V! That's worse than the old test and even 23 which hasn't even tried to update haplogroups in years!

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    Yeah, something weird is going on here. But I'm prepared to be a little patient (even if I shouldn't have to be): with Geno 2.0 First Gen, as you'll recall, they recalibrated the haplogroup assignments at least once long after they had already started selling kits and posting results. Maybe they're still "getting their act together".

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    Quote Originally Posted by leo76 View Post
    Yeah, something weird is going on here. But I'm prepared to be a little patient (even if I shouldn't have to be): with Geno 2.0 First Gen, as you'll recall, they recalibrated the haplogroup assignments at least once long after they had already started selling kits and posting results. Maybe they're still "getting their act together".
    I hope but not even getting V split to the next level is seems so basic! The old test already had the full next level plus parts of the next level after that!
    I only did Geno 2.0 last year so I never witnessed the recalibration. Did they actually send people a few levels deeper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombatofthenorth View Post
    I only did Geno 2.0 last year so I never witnessed the recalibration. Did they actually send people a few levels deeper?
    Yes, if I recall correctly. At first they had my mtDNA at something very broad like K1, and then recalibrated it to K1a15. Or maybe I'm getting confused... Maybe it was the yDNA... Maybe they took me from R-P312 all the way down to R-Z295. Sorry, my memory's not great. I might be mixing up FTDNA and Geno 2.0. What I do know is that Geno 2.0 DID recalibrate my results as part of a broader project-wide reanalysis at least once, giving me more high-resolution assignments. That much I'm certain of.

    So there's hope that this mess will get untangled.

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