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    Map of Slavic y-dna in Greece, compiled by user Passa

    and given permission to me to post.

    These are the subclades of R1a and I2b that are pertinent to Slavic migration, meaning almost half of northern Greeks have a y-dna that can be traced back to Slavs, down to 10% on the islands.

    No part of Greece has been untouched.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    and given permission to me to post.

    These are the subclades of R1a and I2b that are pertinent to Slavic migration, meaning almost half of northern Greeks have a y-dna that can be traced back to Slavs, down to 10% on the islands.

    No part of Greece has been untouched.

    What are these subclades? Probably you mean I2a. On what sources was the map based? Can he make a table with the data and the sources. It would have been much more informative. Unless he is trying to mislead some people.

    Almost half of the Northern Greeks today descend from Asia Minor and Pontic Greeks. I believe those are not included in 'Macedonian Greek' samples.

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    1. What is with the Cretan outlier? Migration from the mainland?
    2. Epirus seems to have gotten little Slavic penetration with the Pindus Mountains acting as a barrier. Please note that the west part of the Pindus Mountain Range was home to the most Aroumanian communities in the Balkans during the Ottoman Era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyro-Vlach View Post
    1. What is with the Cretan outlier? Migration from the mainland?
    Yes, which is also likely the case for all of the islands.

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    Any studies showing Greeks (autosomally) clustering with Slavic speakers yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine View Post
    Any studies showing Greeks (autosomally) clustering with Slavic speakers yet?
    That when compared to Sicilians and Cretans they shift in the direction of Ukraine/Russia, should be sufficient. If you start in Sicily or Crete, Greeks are 1/4 of the way to Russia.

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    Can you list exactly which subclades did you count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine View Post
    Any studies showing Greeks (autosomally) clustering with Slavic speakers yet?
    From Kushniarevich et al., "Genetic Heritage of the Balto-Slavic Speaking Populations..." (2015):

    (...) South Slavs in their turn share a similar number of IBD segments with East-West Slavs and with the ‘inter-Slavic’ Romanian, Hungarian and Gagauz populations (Fig 4B; Table G in S1 File). Notably, South Slavs share significantly fewer IBD segments for length classes 1.5–3 cM with their immediate geographic neighbors in south - Greeks, except Macedonian Greeks – than with the group of East-West Slavs (Fig 4B). Altogether, the analysis of IBD segment distributions revealed even patterns of IBD sharing among East-West Slavs–‘inter-Slavic’ populations (Hungarians, Romanians and Gagauz)–and South Slavs, i.e. across an area of assumed historic movements of people including Slavs. (...) we suggest that there is a “central-east European” genetic substratum in West and East Slavs, exemplified by NRY hgs R1a and the k3 ancestry component, and a “south-east European” one, featuring NRY hgs I2a and E plus the k2 ancestry component for South Slavs (Fig 2A and 2B, Fig 3, Table K in S1 File; Tables A,B in S1 File). Notably, the “south-east European” component does not extend to the whole Balkan Peninsula, as South Slavs are differentiated from Greek sub-populations except Macedonian Greeks (Fig 2A, Fig 4B) [55]. (...)

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    Sikeliot,

    All europeans score some baltic and east euro, does that make us all slavs?The least slavicized Greeks are the Cypriots for example, are they more/less Greek than Northern Greeks?

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    Cypriots are of mostly Non-Indo-European stock.

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