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Thread: Map of Slavic y-dna in Greece, compiled by user Passa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Cypriots are of mostly Non-Indo-European stock.
    and so are Greeks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanenas View Post
    What are these subclades? Probably you mean I2a. On what sources was the map based? Can he make a table with the data and the sources. It would have been much more informative. Unless he is trying to mislead some people.

    Almost half of the Northern Greeks today descend from Asia Minor and Pontic Greeks. I believe those are not included in 'Macedonian Greek' samples.
    Based on several studies of Greek Macedonians , since 2000. It's a well studied area
    It includes all modern Greek Macedonians .

    Remember that Macedonia was almost wholly depopulated by 620 AD (outside notable exceptions - such as towns like Thessalniki and Philippi), so with no Slavs and Anatolian/ Armenian Byzantines, there'd be no modern "Greek Macedonians""

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    Sciencediver,

    Bronze Age and Iron Age Greeks were probably more autosomally Yamnaya-like than modern Greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Cypriots are of mostly Non-Indo-European stock.
    Cypriots are mostly descended from the pre-Greek natives of the island, who would have had affinity to the Levant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian View Post
    Based on several studies of Greek Macedonians , since 2000
    It includes all modern Greek Macedonians . Remember that Macedonia was almost wholly depopulated by 620 AD, so with no Slavs and Anatolian/ Armenian Byzantines, there'd be no modern "Greek Macedonians""
    theres no such thing as wholy depopulated... where do the E-V13 lineages in Northern Greece come from? Poles and Armenians?

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    Sikeliot / Passa can you tell us which subclades were included as Slavic ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by sciencediver View Post
    theres no such thing as wholy depopulated... where do the E-V13 lineages in Northern Greece come from? Poles and Armenians?
    Please read more carefully SD
    I said "Macedonia was almost wholly depopulated"
    It's beyond doubt. Several landscape surveys have been conducted in almost every Greek region by Western and Greek scholars, and even modern Greek scholars now admit the massive population flux occurred in the Middle Ages

    But of course, this does not mean all of Greece was depopulated. Several towns esp along the eastern coast of Greece continued though the dark ages of the 7-9th century

    As for EV13 specifically, I cannot yet answer , but will be able to do so in a couple of years
    As I've mentioned elsewhere, we need to dissect within and beyond E-V13. It obviously arrived in the Neolithic, but I suspect it re-expanded in the Middle Ages from somewhere in the Balkans .
    ? Epirus ? Peloponnesus

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    E-V13 could have spread with Arvanites.

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    You know what. Maybe let's wait for ancient DNA from Greece.

    And I mean complete aDNA - including Y-DNA and autosomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Sciencediver,

    Bronze Age and Iron Age Greeks were probably more autosomally Yamnaya-like than modern Greeks.
    If the yamnaya theory is proved correct, which i doubt, then it means that all modern europeans are less Yamnaya-like than their ancestors. Until then though, you'd better have better arguments.

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