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    Map of Germanic Y-DNA in Italy by Passa

    "Map of Germanic Italy, based on the frequency of R-U106, I-M253, I-M223."

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    Most of this in Sicily is due to Swabians and Goths, I suspect.

    This is probably what makes the genetic difference between Sicilians and Calabrese. Calabria has been virtually untouched for the last 3000 years, including Germanic mixture, and most Greek ancestry is via the Hellenization of the natives. This is why Calabria neither shifts northwest nor northeast.

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    Nice!

    Obviously though, the Mitochondrial contribution must have been much smaller than the Y chromosomal one so i would guess that autosomally, the Germanic contribution is probably not that large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Nordic View Post
    Nice!

    Obviously though, the Mitochondrial contribution must have been much smaller than the Y chromosomal one so i would guess that autosomally, the Germanic contribution is probably not that large.
    Judging by Dodecad K12b, which has a "North European" component, it is usually around 6-10% in Calabrese, and around 10-12% in Sicilians. So Sicilians may have around 4% Germanic admixture autosomally, or if in an area with higher Greek influence some additional NE European.

    For northern Italy, they have much more Celtic ancestry than Germanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Most of this in Sicily is due to Swabians and Goths, I suspect.

    This is probably what makes the genetic difference between Sicilians and Calabrese. Calabria has been virtually untouched for the last 3000 years, including Germanic mixture, and most Greek ancestry is via the Hellenization of the natives. This is why Calabria neither shifts northwest nor northeast.
    Swabians yes, Goths (and Vandals) I think less. Normans made their contribution around Palermo-Trapani while North Italian and Tuscan settlements to Sicily are the key of the little differences between the two regions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Judging by Dodecad K12b, which has a "North European" component, it is usually around 6-10% in Calabrese, and around 10-12% in Sicilians. So Sicilians may have around 4% Germanic admixture autosomally, or if in an area with higher Greek influence some additional NE European.

    For northern Italy, they have much more Celtic ancestry than Germanic.
    I've seen many Sicilians who score 14-15% on the same calculator and many Calabrians with 13, more than people with 6%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morges View Post
    I've seen many Sicilians who score 14-15% on the same calculator and many Calabrians with 13, more than people with 6%.
    I have not. Most Sicilians I see score 12-13%.

    What I do notice is usually, North Euro and SW Asian are equal magnitude in Sicily, but Calabrese almost always have higher SW Asian.

    I do see autosomal impact of Normans in Trapani, but I have seen many, many Palermitan results and it does not appear to make much impact in them.

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    13% is the medium average score I've seen indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morges View Post
    most of north italy would be ostrogoths, lombards, swabians ( suebi )and Salians

    I was informed that the Suebi of Galicia in Iberia are the same as the swabians from SW Germany


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    Quote Originally Posted by Morges View Post
    13% is the medium average score I've seen indeed.
    Yes.

    I think the Calabrese results scoring below 10% (lowest I've seen is 6%) is what we would have seen in Sicily before any historical groups bringing North European had arrived.

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