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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Ancient DNA of Phoenician remains indicates discontinuity in the settlement history of Ibiza

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    Ibiza was permanently settled around the 7th century BCE by founders arriving from west Phoenicia. The founding population grew significantly and reached its height during the 4th century BCE. We obtained nine complete mitochondrial genomes from skeletal remains from two Punic necropoli in Ibiza and a Bronze Age site from Formentara. We also obtained low coverage (0.47X average depth) of the genome of one individual, directly dated to 361–178 cal BCE, from the Cas Molí site on Ibiza. We analysed and compared ancient DNA results with 18 new mitochondrial genomes from modern Ibizans to determine the ancestry of the founders of Ibiza. The mitochondrial results indicate a predominantly recent European maternal ancestry for the current Ibizan population while the whole genome data suggest a significant Eastern Mediterranean component. Our mitochondrial results suggest a genetic discontinuity between the early Phoenician settlers and the island’s modern inhabitants. Our data, while limited, suggest that the Eastern or North African influence in the Punic population of Ibiza was primarily male dominated.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...gical-sciences
    Right - this almost fully putting a lid on the the absurd claims that Phoenician settlements were not substantial demographically along the Mediterranean sea.

    Surely if they settled in little 'o Ibiza, then West Sicily where they had several towns established, later on being absorbed by the Punic empire, was well within their reach.

    Now we just need those Bronze Age Sicilian samples from the other study, where I expect we won't see any of the post-Bronze Age Near Eastern admixture we see today in Sicilians, and we can finally lay to waste those mostly racially-motivated claims that all Near Eastern admixture in Southern Europe is rooted in EEF (that is - Neolithic).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    and we can finally lay to waste those mostly racially-motivated claims that all Near Eastern admixture in Southern Europe is rooted in EEF (that is - Neolithic).
    One of the issues is because people in the West (especially so amongst some groups in anthrofora with dubious agendas) have a negative opinion about the Middle East because of religion and its violent recent history. I'd bet that if we could see an alternate timeline in which the region was peaceful and Christian those people wouldn't care nearly as much.

    It's ridiculous how people still care about these sort of things, particularly given with what we know about ancient genetics these days - we are all heavily mongrelised
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    Right - this almost fully putting a lid on the the absurd claims that Phoenician settlements were not substantial demographically along the Mediterranean sea.

    Surely if they settled in little 'o Ibiza, then West Sicily where they had several towns established, later on being absorbed by the Punic empire, was well within their reach.

    Now we just need those Bronze Age Sicilian samples from the other study, where I expect we won't see any of the post-Bronze Age Near Eastern admixture we see today in Sicilians, and we can finally lay to waste those mostly racially-motivated claims that all Near Eastern admixture in Southern Europe is rooted in EEF (that is - Neolithic).
    This study shows precisely that the genetic contribution of the Phoenicians in Ibiza was scarce because all the mitochondrial haplogroups are typically Iberian (EEF if you prefer). Only men came to this island and I suppose that the high percentage of T in the Balearic Islands will be related to these Phoenician men.

    Regarding the typical topic of hair and eye color, it only shows lack of culture and that people have traveled very little. For people who like football in England you can look for a picture of Fernando Llorente (Tottenham) or David de Gea (Manchester United) to know what I'm talking about.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5w4G4Zkbtk

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    Quote Originally Posted by GASKA View Post
    This study shows precisely that the genetic contribution of the Phoenicians in Ibiza was scarce because all the mitochondrial haplogroups are typically Iberian (EEF if you prefer). Only men came to this island and I suppose that the high percentage of T in the Balearic Islands will be related to these Phoenician men.
    Erm, not really - it shows that it wasn't scarce at all, and it actually very similar to what we're seeing in Sicily - pretty much all the Levantine uniparentals we see there as well are paternal lineages, not maternal.
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    They try to use the same argument about Etruscan origins due to the mtdna being of 'Neolithic' origin as opposed to more recent East Mediterranean/West Asian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talljimmy0 View Post
    They try to use the same argument about Etruscan origins due to the mtdna being of 'Neolithic' origin as opposed to more recent East Mediterranean/West Asian.
    It will be very interesting when we get fully analyzed ancient Etruscan samples. I'll leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    Facial reconstruction of Achavanich Ava(Bell Beaker woman from Scotland) was updated after the results of ancient DNA study, she was analyzed as a part of Bell Beaker paper(Olalde et al 2018): Giving life to a woman found in a 4,250-year-old grave in Caithness
    That’s my skin colour my mother’s and my grandfather’s. I happen to have light eyes, from my father’s side. We all tan easily & I go browner than some north Asian people. Yes most of my school (a sample size of 1000) were much lighter skinned than me, but mousey brown hair was what nearly everyone had, me included, rather than the black brown in the reconstruction.
    Yet I agree with other posters that most Brits would guess her to be Southern European but it is from her total appearance rather than individual aspects.
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    the beakers and this lady has close to nil to do with 'southern europe' the neolithic farmers she inturn has little to do with that would have been 'southern european' aka mediterranid-taxon ötzi is south european proto-boleraz is south european ballynahatty is south seuropean and the list goes on as the mediterranid taxon derived from the anatolian farmers(incl pigment) and in direct continuity to south europe today; this here is as pegasus noted more siberian/south american amerind at best; also to note the anatolian ancestry she must have carried would be via (TRB>)GAC farmers and they looked per metrics(+also pigment) whole differently;
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0118316

    morphometric is seeming to make a comeback lots of recent papers out and these traits are just as inherited as any markers on the chromosomes most prob determined by them;
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    She looks very Central American/Mexican to me. I wonder if the reconstruction was ideologically motivated. As examplified by the recent claim that a Vikings garment had Islamic designs.

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    Well, it's BBC so people on the Right are going to be suspicious. I have to remind though that looking at British Beakers pigmentation results from Genetiker she isn't that much of an anomaly, aside from being rather tanned.
    https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2018...beaker-people/

    Also we know that depigmentation in Britain has been an ongoing process:
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/05/07/052084

    If they actually posted some markers to back their results it would obviously be better. I can already tell it's going to be a s**tshow much like with the Cheddar Man.

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