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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Iron Age Italic population genetics: the Piceni from Novilara (8th–7th century BC)

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    they took 27 mtdna from the site
    but finale results only for 9 of them

    PIC_IA Piceni Italy Novilara, Marche region 8th-7th c BC 9 present study

    this is from other forum
    the mtdna they found : H*,H*,J1,H*,H*,J1,H1*,K,HV1,H1

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    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/suppl...876_sm3288.pdf

    check this link
    Picene plot near north Pontic area....catacomb culture

    European = 99.2%............Central Asian = 0.8% .............Yfull - 1460BC
    Father's Mtdna .........T2b17
    Grandfather's Mtdna .......T1a1e
    Sons Mtdna .......K1a4
    Maternal Grandfather......I1d-P109...CTS6009
    Wife's Ydna .....R1a-Z282

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    The main negatives = ( M193-, P322-, P327-, Pages11- , L25- , CTS1848- )

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/suppl...876_sm3288.pdf

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    Picene plot near north Pontic area....catacomb culture
    in terms of what mtdna
    or autosomal ?
    if autosomally it is hell surprising
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    in terms of what mtdna
    or autosomal ?
    if autosomally it is hell surprising
    mtDNA only.
    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ ZZ48+ FGC10543+, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: Haplogroup H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Asturias, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: Haplogroup J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: Haplogroup T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain

    Avatar: Bell Beaker East Group Warrior circa 2500 BC. (after Heyd 2000; drawing B. Richter)

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    The Y data from this "A mosaic genetic structure of the human population living in the South Baltic region during the Iron Age" should be interesting. They reference LN Bell Beaker and Jutland Iron Age for the males, and make reference to recent aDNA papers, thus, one can only assume some R1b and I1 were found in the remains. Should be interesting to see. Their oversimplification that Unetice would be strictly I2 based on a few ancient samples is also unlikely. The former two haplogroups (R1b/I1) were likely quite common during Unetice as well despite not having many samples.
    YDNA: R1b-Z220 (A7066+) (1800's Stepney, London(Bethnal Green), UK George Wood b. 1782
    maternal-grandfather YDNA: prob. I1 Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
    maternal-grandmother YDNA: ? Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanL View Post
    Looks like the sequenced the DNA of the famous Cheddar Man.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...blue-eyed.html

    Minus the media sensationalist crap, looks like Cheddar Man was similar to other WHG in terms of pigmentation. SLC genes being ancestral and the blue eyes gene derived.
    Where is the scientific paper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    Where is the scientific paper?
    Pre-release to wet our apatite, apparently results are going to be aired in a Channel 4 documentary on the 18th of Feb

    http://www.channel4.com/info/press/n...the-first-brit

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...alysis-reveals

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    from the paper
    A mosaic genetic structure of the human population living in the South Baltic region during the Iron Age

    from were the samples were taken in poland
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    from this paper :"The peopling of the last Green Sahara revealed by high-coverage resequencing of trans-Saharan patrilineages"


    the most fascinating part

    The presence of two nested R-V88 basal European clades can be related to the high frequencies of R-V88 internal lineages in the central Sahel assuming a movement from Europe toward the central Sahel across northern Africa. In turn, considering the trans-Saharan distribution and the “star-like” topology of the sub-clade R-V1589 (branch 233), it is likely that this lineage rapidly expanded in the lake Chad area between 5.73 and 5.25 kya and moved backward to northeastern Africa across the Saharan region "

    "Outside Africa, both A3-M13 and R-V88 harbour sub-lineages geographically restricted to the island of Sardinia and both seem to indicate ancient trans-Mediterranean contacts. The phylogeography of A3-M13 suggests that the direction of the movement was from Africa to Sardinia, while R-V88 topology indicates a Europe-to-Africa migration. Indeed, our data suggest a European origin of R-V88 about 12.3 kya, considering both the presence of two Sardinian R-V88 basal clades (R-M18 and R-V35) and that the V88 marker arose in the R-M343 background, which in turn includes Near-Eastern/European lineages [52]. It is worth noting that the arrival of R-V88 in the Sahara seems to have occurred between 8.67 and 7.85 kya (considering as an upper limit the time estimates of the last node including a European-specific lineage, while the lower limit is the coalescence age of all the African-specific lineages), refining the time frame of the trans-Saharan migration proposed in previous studies [37, 56]. The route of R-V88 toward the lake Chad basin probably passed through northeastern Africa rather than Arabia, considering the absence of R-V88 in the Horn of Africa. Interestingly, both A3-M13 and R-V88 European sub-clades coalesced in ancient times (> 7.62 kya for A3-M13/V2742 and between 12.34 and 8.67 kya for R-V88/M18 and R-V88/V35) (Additional file 2: Figures S2 and S5). So it is possible that both clades were widespread in southern Europe, where they have been replaced by the Y haplogroups brought by the following recurrent migration waves from Asia [57]."
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    From this paper, checked out the Y-str: DNA profiling of Hungarian King Béla III and other skeletal remains originating from the Royal Basilica of Székesfehérvár

    3x R1a,
    2x R1b
    1x J1 (Nevgen predicts J1a3-Z1828)
    1x E1b (Nevgen predits E-V13)
    YDNA: R1b-Z220 (A7066+) (1800's Stepney, London(Bethnal Green), UK George Wood b. 1782
    maternal-grandfather YDNA: prob. I1 Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
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    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    From this paper, checked out the Y-str: DNA profiling of Hungarian King Béla III and other skeletal remains originating from the Royal Basilica of Székesfehérvár

    3x R1a,
    2x R1b
    1x J1 (Nevgen predicts J1a3-Z1828)
    1x E1b (Nevgen predits E-V13)
    Also need to note that two of these R1a's(Béla III and II/52) are apparently patrilineally related, which is of no surprize.

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