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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebizur View Post
    As for specimen M3, a finding of basal O-M1751 (phylogenetically equivalent to O-M175) outside of any known subclade in a specimen from 120-320 cal AD Xinjiang would be quite surprising. Is there really no call for a marker of any more precise subclade?
    M3 is listed as O-M1751 in the supplementary.

    From the article itself:
    The two males (M3 and M9) were assigned to Y chromosomal haplogroup O (i.e., O1b*-F435 and O2a2b2a1a-F4110), a typical East Asian haplogroup. Due to low coverage, the other male, M4, was only tentatively assigned to haplogroup N1a1a1a1a-CTS1077, which is prevailing in Northeast Asia, implying the dual paternal origins of the Shichengzi population (Supplementary Table 5).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelto View Post
    M3 is listed as O-M1751 in the supplementary.

    From the article itself:
    The two males (M3 and M9) were assigned to Y chromosomal haplogroup O (i.e., O1b*-F435 and O2a2b2a1a-F4110), a typical East Asian haplogroup. Due to low coverage, the other male, M4, was only tentatively assigned to haplogroup N1a1a1a1a-CTS1077, which is prevailing in Northeast Asia, implying the dual paternal origins of the Shichengzi population (Supplementary Table 5).
    That's just marginally better.

    O1b*-F435 would still be a very odd Y-DNA haplogroup assignment for a specimen from this time and place if one considers that the TMRCA of haplogroup O1b is estimated to be about 30,000 years.
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    Bioarchaeological analysis of the possible skeletal remains of Béla, Duke of Macsó (12th century AD)

    Béla of Macsó (after 1243– November 1272 AD) was Duke of Macsó and of Bosnia. He governed the southern provinces of the Medieval Kingdom of Hungary. Béla’s father was Duke Rostislav of Macsó (a member of the Rurik dynasty) and his mother was Anna, a daughter of King Béla IV, a member of the House of Árpád. Béla of Macsó was killed in mid-November 1272 on Margit Island.
    The skeletal remains of an adult male were found beneath the floor during the excavation of a 13th-century Dominican monastery on the Margit-island, in 1914-1915 (VÁRKONYI 1915, GYARMATHI 1915, HANKÓ 2004). The body was buried head up to the altar. At a depth of 1.5 meters, the skeletal remains of two other individuals were also discovered. According to the Budapest Newsletter of 1929, the remains of Béla came from oak coffins with ornate carvings (NÉMETH 1929). After the excavation, the human remains were transported to the Institute of Anthropology of the University of Budapest (now: Department of Biological Anthropology, EötvösLoránd University) where Lajos Bartucz analyzed them. However, he did not publish the results in detail. Some of his preliminary observations were mentioned in a newspaper (NÉMETH 1929). The skeleton belonged to a 20-25-year-old male. Bartucz observed 23 perimortem cutmarks caused by sharp weapons (swords) on the bones. He thought that Béla did not die in a duel, but he was rather slain with excessive violence as his body was cut more times after he felt to the ground.
    The aim of our paper is to present the results of the complex bioarchaeological analysis of the possible remains of Béla of Macsó.
    This research was supported by The House of Árpád Programme (2018–2023) Scientific Subproject: V.1. Anthropological-Genetic portrayal of Hungarians in the Árpádian Age.



    Investigation of the genetic ancestry of Béla of Macsó, an Árpádian prince from Hungary

    We genetically investigated Béla, the duke of Macsó and Bosnia, who governed the southern provinces of the Kingdom of Hungary and lived between 1243 –1272 AD. He was the son of Duke Rostislav (Rus’ prince, Rurik dynasty) and Duchess Anna from the Árpád dynasty (daughter of Béla IV of Hungary) according to the historical records. His remains were excavated in the Margaret Closter on the Margaret Island of Budapest in 1915 and re-explored in 2018. His identification is based on anthropological, archaeological, and historical records on the circumstances of his murder in 1272.
    In this study, we investigated his Y-chromosome and analysed the mitogenome of the ancient DNA gained from the skull attributed to Béla of Macsó. The Y-chromosomal haplogroup of Béla is N1a-M46. Further downstream subgroups can be predicted from the STR matches detected with present-day descendants of the Rurikids. Béla of Macsó most probably belonged to the haplogroup N1a1a1a1a1a1a defined by the terminal SNPs L550. We conclude that the N1a-M46 paternal lineage corresponds to his anticipated Rurikid genealogy. The maternal line of Béla belonged to the mitochondrial U3b3 subgroup of U3. No identical mtDNA haplotype to Béla’s lineage was detected in the published datasets. As phylogenetic analysis reveals, similar haplotypes are nowadays characteristic in the Near East and the Caucasus. Therefore, the maternal U3b3 lineage also fits into the maternal genealogy as a rare but widespread lineage from the Caucasus to the Near East, most probably also prevalent in the Early Medieval Anatolia and the Aegean – South-Pontic world. The uniparental data, therefore, strengthens the archaeological and anthropological records in the identification of the skeleton.
    This research was supported by The House of Árpád Programme (2018–2023) Scientific Subproject: V.1. Anthropological-Genetic portrayal of Hungarians in the Árpádian Age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    The next seven days might be the longest seven days of our lives. Stay strong lads and lasses.
    Meaning the big studies we have waited for will be published after a week? Or will they be published within the next days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manesh View Post
    Meaning the big studies we have waited for will be published after a week? Or will they be published within the next days?
    Yup, next friday/thursday evening. All three papers at once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Yup, next friday/thursday evening. All three papers at once.
    Finally, I hope we will see some interesting results.
    Do you know if there is any new big study to be published in upcoming weeks on the bronze age and medieval region of Southern Central Asia (BMAC, Kangju, Karakhanids, etc...)?

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    The genetic echo of the Tarim mummies in modern Central Asians
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    The diversity of Central Asians has been shaped by multiple migrations and cultural diffusion. Although ancient DNA studies have revealed the demographic changes of the Central Asian since the Bronze Age, the contribution of the ancient populations to the modern Central Asian remains opaque. Herein, we performed high-coverage sequencing of 131 whole genomes of Indo-European-speaking Tajik and Turkic-speaking Kyrgyz populations to explore their genomic diversity and admixture history. By integrating the ancient DNA data, we revealed more details of the origins and admixture history of Central Asians. We found that the major ancestry of present-day Tajik populations can be traced back to the admixture of the Bronze Age Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex and Andronovo related populations. Highland Tajik populations further received additional gene flow from the Tarim mummies, an isolated ancient North Eurasian related population. The West Eurasian ancestry of Kyrgyz is mainly derived from Historical Era populations in Xinjiang of China. Furthermore, the recent admixture signals detected in both Tajik and Kyrgyz are ascribed to the expansions of Eastern Steppe nomadic pastoralists during the Historical Era.

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    Did they even bother testing with any of the dozens ANE-rich Central Asian samples? If not this it is quite sloppy to suggest it came directly from Tarim_EMBA.
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