Genetic Genealogy & Ancient DNA in the News (DISCUSSION ONLY)

[Kale]

Genomic Steppe ancestry in skeletons from the Neolithic Single Grave Culture in Denmark
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0244872

The Y-chromosome haplogroup of Gjerrild 5 was determined as R1b-V1636 (R1b1a2)

For all that confidence that we'll find R1b in Western Single Grave, we get a V1636... lol

[Johnny ola]

Not sure if those MBA samples are from Greek contexts, but if they are, it's not surprising. Northern Greece would not have been part of the Aegean palatial civilizations of the Minoans and Mycenaeans anyway.

I agree,thought these samples are a little bit early for the aegean civilizations.What we can say for sure,it is that steppe people started migrating to balkans quite early.

[Michalis Moriopoulos]

Indeed, Principe, nice to have these.

Kou01; 2464-2349 BC; Koufonisi; Greece; Cycladic_EBA; J2a1a-L26

Why, hello there, old friend.

[Principe]

Indeed, Principe, nice to have these.



Why, hello there, old friend.

Yup indeed, and its nice to see it is still common in its modern descendants

[J Man]

This is an extremely interesting find, I was not expecting J-Z36834 to be one of the markers of the Cycladic Culture, but it is not a complete and total surprise either since the Mycenaean we have is under J-Z6057 and likely the same branch (quality of the Mycenaean sample was not great), so here begs the question, since J-Y13128 its father branch has already been found in Neolithic Croatia and Hungary, was this sample a local Neolithic survival branch or did some of J-Y13128 stay in Anatolia and moved into Greece via Cycladic Culture, also at least it seems the Mycenaean J-Z6057's origin is solved, he was the descendant of the local Cycladic Culture.

Really exciting to see Ancient Greece be represented more

Hopefully we get more very soon.

This is quite interesting for sure...Also didn't the later "Sea Peoples" of the Greek Dark Ages likely originate in the Cyclades?

[Michalis Moriopoulos]

I agree,thought these samples are a little bit early for the aegean civilizations.What we can say for sure,it is that steppe people started migrating to balkans quite early.

Yeah, but they might represent what Northern Greece was like during the heydey of the BA Aegean civs. Actually the fact that they are so early is a good sign. They might represent what the Proto-Greeks were like before moving south. We might be able to better discern the nature of the steppe component in ancient Greeks in general using these two ladies. It is too bad they're both female. It'd be nice to see some R1b Greeks in the Bronze Age record.

[Johnny ola]

Yeah, but they might represent what Northern Greece was like during the heydey of the BA Aegean civs. Actually the fact that they are so early is a good sign. They might represent what the Proto-Greeks were like before moving south. We might be able to better discern the nature of the steppe component in ancient Greeks in general using these two ladies. It is too bad they're both female. It'd be nice to see some R1b Greeks in the Bronze Age record.

Ye, i will agree that these samples might represent the proto-Greco-Phrygian and Macedonian people.I hope David to do his magics and upload any aviable sample to G25.Has anyone inform him?He is prolly sleeping now xD.

[Principe]

This is quite interesting for sure...Also didn't the later "Sea Peoples" of the Greek Dark Ages likely originate in the Cyclades?

From the most strictly conservative sources, the 2 confirmed so far Sea Peoples are from Crete and Lukka (Lycia in Anatolia). All the others are still pending confirmation.

[J Man]

From the most strictly conservative sources, the 2 confirmed so far Sea Peoples are from Crete and Lukka (Lycia in Anatolia). All the others are still pending confirmation.

Neither of those samples have been tested correct?

[Principe]

Neither of those samples have been tested correct?

Well we know have 4 Minoan samples, as for Lycia, zero to date.