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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    Well we know have 4 Minoan samples, as for Lycia, zero to date.
    Ahhh I see ok...I don't think that the Minoans were Sea Peoples though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Ahhh I see ok...I don't think that the Minoans were Sea Peoples though.
    It wasn’t the Minoans, it was people from Crete, around Bronze Age collapse Crete was a Minoan and Mycenaean mix, but indirectly it would be the Minoans descendants.
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

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    So...

    I converted two of the samples from this mysterious new Bronze Age Greece study, Kou01 and Kou03, into 23andMe format txt files.

    If anyone wants to try and use them on Gedmatch or some calculator then here is the link

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    The Greek samples sorted by read count:

    219,847,620 Mik15
    216,468,743 Log02
    211,500,916 Log04
    194,405,131 Pta08
    138,884,690 Kou03
    108,651,773 Kou01
    64,161 MIK08
    48,252 XER05
    23,794 PAL05
    22,844 PEL04
    21,328 XER07
    19,743 PAL04
    14,646 PEL02
    13,384 XER02
    12,609 PEL03
    5,556 AGI02
    4,455 XER01
    [1] "distance%=2.9299"

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    EEF,51.4
    BALTIC_BA,12.6
    GANJ_DAREH,10.8
    CHG,10.4
    MIDDLE_EAST,10
    ANE,2.4
    TAFORALT,1.8
    WHG,0.6

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    From what I was able to gather, "Logkos" aka Λογκά Ελάτης should be a site along the Haliacmon river, couldn't really find where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Pta08; 2849-2621 BC; Petras; Greece; Minoan_EBA; G2a2b-L30>CTS574>CTS2488>P303>pre-L140 (PF3337+, L140-)

    Kou01; 2464-2349 BC; Koufonisi; Greece; Cycladic_EBA; J2a1a-L26>Z6064>Z6055>Z6057>Y7013>Y7010>Y13128>Z36834

    Kou03; 2832-2578 BC; Koufonisi; Greece; Cycladic_EBA; (female)

    Mik15; 2890-2764 BC; Manika; Greece; Helladic_EBA; (female)

    Log04; 2007-1915 BC; Logkas; Greece; Helladic_MBA; (female)

    Log02; 1924-1831 BC; Logkas; Greece; Helladic_MBA; (female)
    23andMe format autosomal files for each sample

    Pta08

    Mik15

    Log02

    Log04

    Kou01

    Kou03

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    This paper deserves it's own thread, don't you think? Finally something interesting again.

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    Here is Log02 in Eurogenes K13. Obviously, we should take these results with a grain of salt considering that these modern calculators arent designed to accurately model ancients, but its interesting nonetheless.

    Kit ZK5342256

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 25.42
    2 West_Med 24.46
    3 East_Med 23.63
    4 Baltic 12.25
    5 West_Asian 9.54
    6 Red_Sea 2.29
    7 Oceanian 1.21
    8 Amerindian 1
    9 Sub-Saharan 0.18

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tuscan 3.68
    2 North_Italian 7.17
    3 West_Sicilian 8.01
    4 Greek_Thessaly 8.14
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 8.55
    6 Central_Greek 11.05
    7 East_Sicilian 11.74
    8 Bulgarian 13.02
    9 South_Italian 13.1
    10 Romanian 13.81
    11 Ashkenazi 14.7
    12 Spanish_Extremadura 15.58
    13 Portuguese 15.61
    14 Spanish_Andalucia 16.3
    15 Spanish_Murcia 16.68
    16 Spanish_Valencia 16.89
    17 Spanish_Galicia 16.92
    18 Serbian 17.06
    19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.56
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.83

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61.4% North_Italian + 38.6% Central_Greek @ 2.35
    2 60.8% Central_Greek + 39.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.55
    3 66.4% Central_Greek + 33.6% Southwest_French @ 2.59
    4 83.5% Tuscan + 16.5% Bulgarian @ 2.7
    5 64.9% Central_Greek + 35.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.82
    6 63.4% North_Italian + 36.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.83
    7 61.9% Central_Greek + 38.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.84
    8 77% Tuscan + 23% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.9
    9 53.7% North_Italian + 46.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.92
    10 85.7% Tuscan + 14.3% Romanian @ 2.92
    11 91.5% Tuscan + 8.5% Moldavian @ 2.96
    12 67.9% Greek_Thessaly + 32.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.01
    13 95.4% Tuscan + 4.6% Erzya @ 3.07
    14 92.7% Tuscan + 7.3% Croatian @ 3.07
    15 94.4% Tuscan + 5.6% Ukrainian @ 3.1
    16 95% Tuscan + 5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.11
    17 96.5% Tuscan + 3.5% MA-1 @ 3.11
    18 80.5% North_Italian + 19.5% Cyprian @ 3.11
    19 95% Tuscan + 5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.12
    20 94.4% Tuscan + 5.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.13

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauors View Post
    From what I was able to gather, "Logkos" aka Λογκά Ελάτης should be a site along the Haliacmon river, couldn't really find where.
    Could be, found this article:

    https://www.archaiologia.gr/blog/201...%CE%B9-%CF%83/

    Looks like it's in Macedonia, near Elati.
    Last edited by Michalis Moriopoulos; 01-16-2021 at 12:14 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    Here is Log02 in Eurogenes K13. Obviously, we should take these results with a grain of salt considering that these modern calculators arent designed to accurately model ancients, but its interesting nonetheless.

    Kit ZK5342256
    Some small segments shared between me and this sample:
    Code:
    Chr	B37 Start Pos'n	B37 End Pos'n	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
    9	137,408,717	137,852,506	3.2	174
    
    Chr	B37 Start Pos'n	B37 End Pos'n	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
    20	8,285,108	9,571,800	3.1	405
    Distance to: Aspar_scaled
    0.01995435 35.00% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 65.00% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02156914 40.60% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 + 59.40% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02223177 55.20% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215 + 44.80% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
    0.02300447 61.80% BGR_IA:I5769 + 38.20% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19

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