Genetic Genealogy & Ancient DNA in the News (DISCUSSION ONLY)

[J Man]

Well we know have 4 Minoan samples, as for Lycia, zero to date.

Ahhh I see ok...I don't think that the Minoans were Sea Peoples though.

[Principe]

Ahhh I see ok...I don't think that the Minoans were Sea Peoples though.

It wasn’t the Minoans, it was people from Crete, around Bronze Age collapse Crete was a Minoan and Mycenaean mix, but indirectly it would be the Minoans descendants.

[altvred]

So...

I converted two of the samples from this mysterious new Bronze Age Greece study, Kou01 and Kou03, into 23andMe format txt files.

If anyone wants to try and use them on Gedmatch or some calculator then here is the link

LINK

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The Greek samples sorted by read count:

219,847,620	Mik15
216,468,743	Log02
211,500,916	Log04
194,405,131	Pta08
138,884,690	Kou03
108,651,773	Kou01
64,161	MIK08
48,252	XER05
23,794	PAL05
22,844	PEL04
21,328	XER07
19,743	PAL04
14,646	PEL02
13,384	XER02
12,609	PEL03
5,556	AGI02
4,455	XER01

[mauors]

From what I was able to gather, "Logkos" aka Λογκά Ελάτης should be a site along the Haliacmon river, couldn't really find where.

[altvred]

Pta08; 2849-2621 BC; Petras; Greece; Minoan_EBA; G2a2b-L30>CTS574>CTS2488>P303>pre-L140 (PF3337+, L140-)

Kou01; 2464-2349 BC; Koufonisi; Greece; Cycladic_EBA; J2a1a-L26>Z6064>Z6055>Z6057>Y7013>Y7010>Y13128>Z36834

Kou03; 2832-2578 BC; Koufonisi; Greece; Cycladic_EBA; (female)

Mik15; 2890-2764 BC; Manika; Greece; Helladic_EBA; (female)

Log04; 2007-1915 BC; Logkas; Greece; Helladic_MBA; (female)

Log02; 1924-1831 BC; Logkas; Greece; Helladic_MBA; (female)

23andMe format autosomal files for each sample

Pta08

Mik15

Log02

Log04

Kou01

Kou03

[Helves]

This paper deserves it's own thread, don't you think? Finally something interesting again.

[Sorcelow]

Here is Log02 in Eurogenes K13. Obviously, we should take these results with a grain of salt considering that these modern calculators arent designed to accurately model ancients, but its interesting nonetheless.

Kit ZK5342256

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 25.42
2 West_Med 24.46
3 East_Med 23.63
4 Baltic 12.25
5 West_Asian 9.54
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 Oceanian 1.21
8 Amerindian 1
9 Sub-Saharan 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 3.68
2 North_Italian 7.17
3 West_Sicilian 8.01
4 Greek_Thessaly 8.14
5 Italian_Abruzzo 8.55
6 Central_Greek 11.05
7 East_Sicilian 11.74
8 Bulgarian 13.02
9 South_Italian 13.1
10 Romanian 13.81
11 Ashkenazi 14.7
12 Spanish_Extremadura 15.58
13 Portuguese 15.61
14 Spanish_Andalucia 16.3
15 Spanish_Murcia 16.68
16 Spanish_Valencia 16.89
17 Spanish_Galicia 16.92
18 Serbian 17.06
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.56
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% North_Italian + 38.6% Central_Greek @ 2.35
2 60.8% Central_Greek + 39.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.55
3 66.4% Central_Greek + 33.6% Southwest_French @ 2.59
4 83.5% Tuscan + 16.5% Bulgarian @ 2.7
5 64.9% Central_Greek + 35.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.82
6 63.4% North_Italian + 36.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.83
7 61.9% Central_Greek + 38.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.84
8 77% Tuscan + 23% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.9
9 53.7% North_Italian + 46.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.92
10 85.7% Tuscan + 14.3% Romanian @ 2.92
11 91.5% Tuscan + 8.5% Moldavian @ 2.96
12 67.9% Greek_Thessaly + 32.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.01
13 95.4% Tuscan + 4.6% Erzya @ 3.07
14 92.7% Tuscan + 7.3% Croatian @ 3.07
15 94.4% Tuscan + 5.6% Ukrainian @ 3.1
16 95% Tuscan + 5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.11
17 96.5% Tuscan + 3.5% MA-1 @ 3.11
18 80.5% North_Italian + 19.5% Cyprian @ 3.11
19 95% Tuscan + 5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.12
20 94.4% Tuscan + 5.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.13

[Michalis Moriopoulos]

From what I was able to gather, "Logkos" aka Λογκά Ελάτης should be a site along the Haliacmon river, couldn't really find where.

Could be, found this article:

https://www.archaiologia.gr/blog/201...%CE%B9-%CF%83/

Looks like it's in Macedonia, near Elati.

[Aspar]

Here is Log02 in Eurogenes K13. Obviously, we should take these results with a grain of salt considering that these modern calculators arent designed to accurately model ancients, but its interesting nonetheless.

Kit ZK5342256

Some small segments shared between me and this sample:

Chr	B37 Start Pos'n	B37 End Pos'n	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
9	137,408,717	137,852,506	3.2	174

Chr	B37 Start Pos'n	B37 End Pos'n	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
20	8,285,108	9,571,800	3.1	405