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    Only a fraction of the ancestry of today's Japanese is Jomon. It may be that some ancient samples already have Jomon-like ancestry to begin with and therefore the percentage is underestimated.

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    Target: Japanese
    Distance: 2.8643%
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    27.8	CHN_Xiaojingshan_N:XJS1311_M16
    13.4	JPN_Jomon:I13884
    11.8	RUS_Boisman_MN:I14308
    2.0	CHN_Xitoucun_N:L5700
    Koreans do not have this signal.

    Code:
    Target: Korean
    Distance: 1.5178%
    58.8	CHN_Yellow_River_LN:WD-WT1H16
    23.6	CHN_Xiaojingshan_N:XJS1311_M16
    6.2	RUS_Boisman_MN:I1193
    5.0	RUS_Boisman_MN:I14308
    5.0	CHN_Xitoucun_N:L5700
    1.4	CHN_Boshan_N:BS
    Other groups have it but the situation is not clear to me.

    Code:
    Target: Nivkh
    Distance: 2.5699%
    41.8	RUS_Boisman_MN:I3356
    17.6	RUS_Boisman_MN:I1206
    15.4	RUS_Boisman_MN:I3355
    9.2	RUS_Kolyma_Meso:Kolyma_River
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    5.8	RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N:NEO236
    4.0	RUS_Boisman_MN:I1193
    0.2	CHN_Amur_River_EN:WQM4
    
    Target: Ulchi
    Distance: 2.7320%
    51.6	RUS_Boisman_MN:I3356
    19.4	CHN_Amur_River_EN:WQM4
    10.0	RUS_Boisman_MN:I1193
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    2.8	JPN_Jomon:I13884
    1.6	RUS_Boisman_MN:I3355
    [1] "distance%=2.9299"

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    Nivkh live on Sakhalin (the island north of Hokkaido) as well as the mainland coast opposite, and they were in contact with the Ainu (who took the southern half of Sakhalin). So they could have Jomon ancestry from the Ainu, if not from some earlier Jomon gene flow. Ulchi live just inland of Nivkh. So that all *could* be real.

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    on Kit M877803 (*Ulchi-Nizhniy_Gavan) I was getting 67.3% match 2324cm out of 3600cm
    on Kit M592785 (IK002 Jomon) I was getting 36% 1298.51cm out of 3630cm
    all on 1cm/5Q
    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
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    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Can anyone here get access to these samples and convert them to a format usable for Global25 or Gedmatch?. This study seems to include 60 new samples from Tajikistan including Wakhi and Sarikoli who are not yet on Global25.

    https://bigd.big.ac.cn/bioproject/browse/PRJCA000278

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Can anyone here get access to these samples and convert them to a format usable for Global25 or Gedmatch?. This study seems to include 60 new samples from Tajikistan including Wakhi and Sarikoli who are not yet on Global25.

    https://bigd.big.ac.cn/bioproject/browse/PRJCA000278
    All of the data is available at the ftp site:

    ftp://download.big.ac.cn/gsa/CRA000136

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan View Post
    Id be very careful about any conclusions on the exact timing and nature of shifts when it is relying on very unusual non-burned burials from caves etc in periods totally dominated by cremation such as in the british isles.

    But if you took it at face value as representitive (risky IMO) then there was a step up in farmer DNA that effected both but southern England more c. 1600BC and roughly through to 1300BC or so. That is a period where cremation is utterly dominant. But if its real then this is essentially the middle Bronze Age, a period charachterised by southern England being extremely closely cultural linked with the southern side of the English Channel from France to southern Holland. So close that even domestic pottery and house types are closely similar. Some even call this a single 'maritory. So, a significantly larger input from northern France and the more SW part of the Low Countries is expected in southern an SE England in that era than in Scotland. As for a 2nd big increase around 1300-1200BC onwards,the late bronze age, this is complicated by the fact that England was connected to the continent by the Atlantic Bronze Age network as well as other areas. The Atlantic bronze age network particularly closely linked England and NW France. So, its rather an assumption to instead look to direct links to the urnfield phenomenon of west-central Europe to explain genetic changes.

    But all in all, its not at all surprising that geneflow from the continent would have effected SE England more than the rest of the British Isles at almost all times.
    Alex Williamson looked at both Covesea, Scotland samples dated from 900-800BCE and concluded that I2859 is indeed L21, however, sample I2860 is R-P312 > Z40481 > FGC84729 > ZZ37 > ZZ38 > Z30597. Z40481 is the parent of ZZ11 and FGC84729 is the parent of DF99 and ZZ37. ZZ37 has one large Scottish Cluster and one large Welsh Cluster with some English and Continental surnames scattered through out. So this tells us that ZZ37 was in Britain at least by 900-800BCE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webb View Post
    So this tells us that ZZ37 was in Britain at least by 900-800BCE.
    So that doesn't look a lot like the Norman Conquest. Or like several other familiar things to blame, from invasions we know more about.

    There's also a 1200 BCE population-turnover event, that we're just beginning to see in the genetics. So the rewrite of the genetic map of western Europe didn't all happen in the EBA, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Bush View Post
    Heterogeneous Hunter-Gatherer and Steppe-Related Ancestries in Late Neolithic and Bell Beaker Genomes from Present-Day France

    Summary

    The transition from the Late Neolithic to the Bronze Age has witnessed important population and societal changes in western Europe.1 These include massive genomic contributions of pastoralist herders originating from the Pontic-Caspian steppes2,3 into local populations, resulting from complex interactions between collapsing hunter-gatherers and expanding farmers of Anatolian ancestry.4, 5, 6, 7, 8 This transition is documented through extensive ancient genomic data from present-day Britain,9,10 Ireland,11,12 Iberia,13 Mediterranean islands,14,15 and Germany.8 It remains, however, largely overlooked in France, where most focus has been on the Middle Neolithic (n = 63),8,9,16 with the exception of one Late Neolithic genome sequenced at 0.05× coverage.16 This leaves the key transitional period covering ∼3,400–2,700 cal. years (calibrated years) BCE genetically unsampled and thus the exact time frame of hunter-gatherer persistence and arrival of steppe migrations unknown. To remediate this, we sequenced 24 ancient human genomes from France spanning ∼3,400–1,600 cal. years BCE. This reveals Late Neolithic populations that are genetically diverse and include individuals with dark skin, hair, and eyes. We detect heterogeneous hunter-gatherer ancestries within Late Neolithic communities, reaching up to ∼63.3% in some individuals, and variable genetic contributions of steppe herders in Bell Beaker populations. We provide an estimate as late as ∼3,800 years BCE for the admixture between Neolithic and Mesolithic populations and as early as ∼2,650 years BCE for the arrival of steppe-related ancestry. The genomic heterogeneity characterized underlines the complex history of human interactions even at the local scale.
    If no one has paid for the paper by tomorrow, then I will. I already have a log in profile for Science Direct, but you still have to pay for the paper to access it. I just hope there are new samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Nice, get those native Australians to the Polish Aussie!
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    [1] "distance%=2.9299"

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    Heterogeneous Hunter-Gatherer and Steppe-Related Ancestries in Late Neolithic and Bell Beaker Genomes from Present-Day France


    All male samples except for 1 was I2. One was DF27. I found a free link on a French site but now I can’t find it.
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