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    Quote Originally Posted by NarLFC View Post
    I guess it's best to select the ones with more Natufian and less EEF to avoid overfitting with the Arslanteppe sample on these runs.
    The Arslantepe has somewhere 12% Levant admixture if i am not mistaken. It is still less Natufian admixed compared to samples from LBA/IA from Israel and Lebanon
    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 1.5780% / 0.01578004
    40.2 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    32.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    16.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
    11.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2


    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 2.8082% / 0.02808208
    67.2 Greek_Trabzon
    24.2 Samaritan
    7.4 Georgian_Imer
    1.2 Sardinian

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarLFC View Post
    It contains a couple of outliers. One of them is very close to Azeri_Dagestan.
    They aren't outliers. The one who is very close to Azerbaijani averages (Turkish_East:Turkish_East4) is from Gaziantep, Turks from Gaziantep appear very close to Azerbaijanis genetically. Azeri_Dagestan can be modeled as a two-way mixture of 2/3 Azerbaijani + 1/3 Dagestani by the way.

    Azeri_Dagestan (Global25 mixed mode)

    2-Population Approximation List:
    1. 33.2% Avar + 66.8% Azeri @ 0.006842
    2. 70.3% Azeri + 29.7% Darginian @ 0.007088
    3. 67.1% Azeri + 32.9% Lak @ 0.007810
    4. 64.0% Azeri + 36.0% Tabasaran @ 0.008075
    5. 65.7% Azeri_Turkey + 34.3% Lak @ 0.010097
    6. 62.4% Azeri_Turkey + 37.6% Tabasaran @ 0.010371
    7. 60.8% Azeri + 39.2% Chechen @ 0.010447
    8. 34.3% Avar + 65.7% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.011264
    9. 45.0% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 55.0% Kumyk @ 0.011275
    10. 53.0% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 47.0% Kabardin @ 0.011307

    The Erzurum Turks (Turkish_East:Turkish_East1, Turkish_East:Turkish_East2, Turkish_East:Turkish_East7) appear not very close to Armenians on ADMIXTURE-based calculators too, despite having very low levels of Central Asians ancestry. They either have ancestry from a different (non-Turkic and non-Armenian) source or pre-Turkic population of Erzurum were not genetically identical to present-day Armenians.

    Turkish_East:Turkish_East1 (Erzurum1)
    Turkish_East:Turkish_East2 (Erzurum2)
    Turkish_East:Turkish_East7 (Erzurum3)
     




    Turkish_East:Turkish_East1/Erzurum1 (Global25 mixed mode)
    1. 74.9% Azeri_Turkey + 25.1% Georgian_Imer @ 0.022442
    2. 72.0% Azeri_Turkey + 28.0% Laz @ 0.022659
    3. 70.8% Azeri_Turkey + 29.2% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.023028
    4. 29.1% Armenian_Hemsheni + 70.9% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.023103
    5. 44.6% Armenian + 55.4% Azeri_Dagestan @ 0.023350
    6. 32.4% Armenian + 67.6% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.023832
    7. 72.4% Azeri_Turkey + 27.6% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.023953
    8. 47.6% Ingushian + 52.4% Iranian_Jew @ 0.024715
    9. 43.2% Azeri_Turkey + 56.8% Turkish_East @ 0.024968
    10. 22.3% Abkhasian + 77.7% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.025055
    11. 61.0% Azeri_Dagestan + 39.0% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.025165
    12. 77.4% Armenian + 22.6% Tajik_Rushan @ 0.025233
    13. 79.8% Azeri_Turkey + 20.2% Greek_Central_Anatolia @ 0.025755
    14. 47.6% Adygei + 52.4% Iranian_Jew @ 0.025774
    15. 61.8% Azeri_Dagestan + 38.2% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.025814
    16. 45.7% Circassian + 54.3% Iranian_Jew @ 0.025863
    17. 40.7% Assyrian + 59.3% Azeri_Dagestan @ 0.026023
    18. 79.7% Armenian + 20.3% Tajik_Ishkashim @ 0.026033
    19. 78.4% Armenian + 21.6% Tajik_Shugnan @ 0.026051
    20. 55.4% Iranian_Jew + 44.6% North_Ossetian @ 0.026118

    Turkish_East:Turkish_East2/Erzurum2 (Global25 mixed mode)
    1. 49.4% Azeri_Turkey + 50.6% Georgian_Imer @ 0.022109
    2. 41.2% Georgian_Imer + 58.8% Turkish_East @ 0.022378
    3. 43.3% Azeri_Turkey + 56.7% Laz @ 0.022809
    4. 62.5% Armenian + 37.5% Ossetian @ 0.022838
    5. 48.4% Ezid + 51.6% Georgian_Imer @ 0.023475
    6. 66.7% Armenian + 33.3% North_Ossetian @ 0.023610
    7. 64.4% Armenian + 35.6% Ingushian @ 0.023991
    8. 84.8% Greek_Trabzon + 15.2% Kalash @ 0.024070
    9. 61.3% Armenian_Hemsheni + 38.7% Azeri_Dagestan @ 0.024218
    10. 55.8% Abkhasian + 44.2% Iranian_Jew @ 0.024276
    11. 49.0% Iranian_Jew + 51.0% Ossetian @ 0.024295
    12. 34.5% Iranian_Fars + 65.5% Laz @ 0.024444
    13. 36.2% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 63.8% Laz @ 0.024522
    14. 41.6% Azeri_Dagestan + 58.4% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.024669
    15. 59.5% Georgian_Imer + 40.5% Iranian_Jew @ 0.024762
    16. 58.7% Armenian_Hemsheni + 41.3% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.024771
    17. 38.4% Iranian_Lor + 61.6% Laz @ 0.024812
    18. 41.8% Ezid + 58.2% Laz @ 0.024821
    19. 36.3% Adygei + 63.7% Armenian @ 0.024835
    20. 59.5% Georgian_Imer + 40.5% Mountain_Jew_Chechnya @ 0.024847

    Turkish_East:Turkish_East7/Erzurum3 (Global25 mixed mode)
    1. 63.6% Iranian_Lor + 36.4% Laz @ 0.016838
    2. 40.2% Armenian_Hemsheni + 59.8% Iranian_Lor @ 0.017303
    3. 37.3% Greek_Trabzon + 62.7% Iranian_Lor @ 0.017335
    4. 61.8% Iranian_Lor + 38.2% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.017439
    5. 49.9% Greek_Trabzon + 50.1% Iranian_Seyyed @ 0.017465
    6. 52.9% Armenian_Hemsheni + 47.1% Iranian_Seyyed @ 0.017633
    7. 49.2% Iranian_Seyyed + 50.8% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.017750
    8. 74.0% Greek_Trabzon + 26.0% Makrani @ 0.018022
    9. 25.3% Makrani + 74.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018081
    10. 46.7% Greek_Trabzon + 53.3% Iranian_Fars @ 0.018181
    11. 31.3% Iranian_Bandari + 68.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018203
    12. 49.7% Armenian_Hemsheni + 50.3% Iranian_Fars @ 0.018267
    13. 67.9% Greek_Trabzon + 32.1% Iranian_Bandari @ 0.018343
    14. 52.4% Iranian_Fars + 47.6% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018369
    15. 23.5% Brahui + 76.5% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018552
    16. 24.1% Brahui + 75.9% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.018849
    17. 23.7% Balochi + 76.3% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.019017
    18. 37.3% Armenian + 62.7% Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 0.019173
    19. 70.7% Armenian_Hemsheni + 29.3% Iranian_Bandari @ 0.019334
    20. 24.4% Balochi + 75.6% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.019361

    Interestingly, Erzurum Turks, especially those from central parts of Erzurum, are very close to the Udi people of Azerbaijan on ADMIXTURE-based calculators. The Udi are thought to be descended from Caucasian Albanians. The resemblance might be coincidental though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkaevli View Post
    They aren't outliers. The one who is very close to Azerbaijani averages (Turkish_East:Turkish_East4) is from Gaziantep, Turks from Gaziantep appear very close to Azerbaijanis genetically. Azeri_Dagestan can be modeled as a two-way mixture of 2/3 Azerbaijani + 1/3 Dagestani by the way.

    Azeri_Dagestan (Global25 mixed mode)

    2-Population Approximation List:
    1. 33.2% Avar + 66.8% Azeri @ 0.006842
    2. 70.3% Azeri + 29.7% Darginian @ 0.007088
    3. 67.1% Azeri + 32.9% Lak @ 0.007810
    4. 64.0% Azeri + 36.0% Tabasaran @ 0.008075
    5. 65.7% Azeri_Turkey + 34.3% Lak @ 0.010097
    6. 62.4% Azeri_Turkey + 37.6% Tabasaran @ 0.010371
    7. 60.8% Azeri + 39.2% Chechen @ 0.010447
    8. 34.3% Avar + 65.7% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.011264
    9. 45.0% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 55.0% Kumyk @ 0.011275
    10. 53.0% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 47.0% Kabardin @ 0.011307

    The Erzurum Turks (Turkish_East:Turkish_East1, Turkish_East:Turkish_East2, Turkish_East:Turkish_East7) appear not very close to Armenians on ADMIXTURE-based calculators too, despite having very low levels of Central Asians ancestry. They either have ancestry from a different (non-Turkic and non-Armenian) source or pre-Turkic population of Erzurum were not genetically identical to present-day Armenians.

    Turkish_East:Turkish_East1 (Erzurum1)
    Turkish_East:Turkish_East2 (Erzurum2)
    Turkish_East:Turkish_East7 (Erzurum3)
     




    Turkish_East:Turkish_East1/Erzurum1 (Global25 mixed mode)
    1. 74.9% Azeri_Turkey + 25.1% Georgian_Imer @ 0.022442
    2. 72.0% Azeri_Turkey + 28.0% Laz @ 0.022659
    3. 70.8% Azeri_Turkey + 29.2% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.023028
    4. 29.1% Armenian_Hemsheni + 70.9% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.023103
    5. 44.6% Armenian + 55.4% Azeri_Dagestan @ 0.023350
    6. 32.4% Armenian + 67.6% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.023832
    7. 72.4% Azeri_Turkey + 27.6% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.023953
    8. 47.6% Ingushian + 52.4% Iranian_Jew @ 0.024715
    9. 43.2% Azeri_Turkey + 56.8% Turkish_East @ 0.024968
    10. 22.3% Abkhasian + 77.7% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.025055
    11. 61.0% Azeri_Dagestan + 39.0% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.025165
    12. 77.4% Armenian + 22.6% Tajik_Rushan @ 0.025233
    13. 79.8% Azeri_Turkey + 20.2% Greek_Central_Anatolia @ 0.025755
    14. 47.6% Adygei + 52.4% Iranian_Jew @ 0.025774
    15. 61.8% Azeri_Dagestan + 38.2% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.025814
    16. 45.7% Circassian + 54.3% Iranian_Jew @ 0.025863
    17. 40.7% Assyrian + 59.3% Azeri_Dagestan @ 0.026023
    18. 79.7% Armenian + 20.3% Tajik_Ishkashim @ 0.026033
    19. 78.4% Armenian + 21.6% Tajik_Shugnan @ 0.026051
    20. 55.4% Iranian_Jew + 44.6% North_Ossetian @ 0.026118

    Turkish_East:Turkish_East2/Erzurum2 (Global25 mixed mode)
    1. 49.4% Azeri_Turkey + 50.6% Georgian_Imer @ 0.022109
    2. 41.2% Georgian_Imer + 58.8% Turkish_East @ 0.022378
    3. 43.3% Azeri_Turkey + 56.7% Laz @ 0.022809
    4. 62.5% Armenian + 37.5% Ossetian @ 0.022838
    5. 48.4% Ezid + 51.6% Georgian_Imer @ 0.023475
    6. 66.7% Armenian + 33.3% North_Ossetian @ 0.023610
    7. 64.4% Armenian + 35.6% Ingushian @ 0.023991
    8. 84.8% Greek_Trabzon + 15.2% Kalash @ 0.024070
    9. 61.3% Armenian_Hemsheni + 38.7% Azeri_Dagestan @ 0.024218
    10. 55.8% Abkhasian + 44.2% Iranian_Jew @ 0.024276
    11. 49.0% Iranian_Jew + 51.0% Ossetian @ 0.024295
    12. 34.5% Iranian_Fars + 65.5% Laz @ 0.024444
    13. 36.2% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 63.8% Laz @ 0.024522
    14. 41.6% Azeri_Dagestan + 58.4% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.024669
    15. 59.5% Georgian_Imer + 40.5% Iranian_Jew @ 0.024762
    16. 58.7% Armenian_Hemsheni + 41.3% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.024771
    17. 38.4% Iranian_Lor + 61.6% Laz @ 0.024812
    18. 41.8% Ezid + 58.2% Laz @ 0.024821
    19. 36.3% Adygei + 63.7% Armenian @ 0.024835
    20. 59.5% Georgian_Imer + 40.5% Mountain_Jew_Chechnya @ 0.024847

    Turkish_East:Turkish_East7/Erzurum3 (Global25 mixed mode)
    1. 63.6% Iranian_Lor + 36.4% Laz @ 0.016838
    2. 40.2% Armenian_Hemsheni + 59.8% Iranian_Lor @ 0.017303
    3. 37.3% Greek_Trabzon + 62.7% Iranian_Lor @ 0.017335
    4. 61.8% Iranian_Lor + 38.2% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.017439
    5. 49.9% Greek_Trabzon + 50.1% Iranian_Seyyed @ 0.017465
    6. 52.9% Armenian_Hemsheni + 47.1% Iranian_Seyyed @ 0.017633
    7. 49.2% Iranian_Seyyed + 50.8% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.017750
    8. 74.0% Greek_Trabzon + 26.0% Makrani @ 0.018022
    9. 25.3% Makrani + 74.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018081
    10. 46.7% Greek_Trabzon + 53.3% Iranian_Fars @ 0.018181
    11. 31.3% Iranian_Bandari + 68.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018203
    12. 49.7% Armenian_Hemsheni + 50.3% Iranian_Fars @ 0.018267
    13. 67.9% Greek_Trabzon + 32.1% Iranian_Bandari @ 0.018343
    14. 52.4% Iranian_Fars + 47.6% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018369
    15. 23.5% Brahui + 76.5% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018552
    16. 24.1% Brahui + 75.9% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.018849
    17. 23.7% Balochi + 76.3% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.019017
    18. 37.3% Armenian + 62.7% Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 0.019173
    19. 70.7% Armenian_Hemsheni + 29.3% Iranian_Bandari @ 0.019334
    20. 24.4% Balochi + 75.6% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.019361

    Interestingly, Erzurum Turks, especially those from central parts of Erzurum, are very close to the Udi people of Azerbaijan on ADMIXTURE-based calculators. The Udi are thought to be descended from Caucasian Albanians. The resemblance might be coincidental though.


    Udi samples
     


    Might be this case. Caucausian Iberia reached Some parts of eastern Anatolia. Their results are indeed shifted to Caucasus.
    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 1.5780% / 0.01578004
    40.2 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    32.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    16.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
    11.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2


    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 2.8082% / 0.02808208
    67.2 Greek_Trabzon
    24.2 Samaritan
    7.4 Georgian_Imer
    1.2 Sardinian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkaevli View Post
    They aren't outliers. The one who is very close to Azerbaijani averages (Turkish_East:Turkish_East4) is from Gaziantep, Turks from Gaziantep appear very close to Azerbaijanis genetically. Azeri_Dagestan can be modeled as a two-way mixture of 2/3 Azerbaijani + 1/3 Dagestani by the way.

    Azeri_Dagestan (Global25 mixed mode)

    2-Population Approximation List:
    1. 33.2% Avar + 66.8% Azeri @ 0.006842
    2. 70.3% Azeri + 29.7% Darginian @ 0.007088
    3. 67.1% Azeri + 32.9% Lak @ 0.007810
    4. 64.0% Azeri + 36.0% Tabasaran @ 0.008075
    5. 65.7% Azeri_Turkey + 34.3% Lak @ 0.010097
    6. 62.4% Azeri_Turkey + 37.6% Tabasaran @ 0.010371
    7. 60.8% Azeri + 39.2% Chechen @ 0.010447
    8. 34.3% Avar + 65.7% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.011264
    9. 45.0% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 55.0% Kumyk @ 0.011275
    10. 53.0% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 47.0% Kabardin @ 0.011307

    The Erzurum Turks (Turkish_East:Turkish_East1, Turkish_East:Turkish_East2, Turkish_East:Turkish_East7) appear not very close to Armenians on ADMIXTURE-based calculators too, despite having very low levels of Central Asians ancestry. They either have ancestry from a different (non-Turkic and non-Armenian) source or pre-Turkic population of Erzurum were not genetically identical to present-day Armenians.

    Turkish_East:Turkish_East1 (Erzurum1)
    Turkish_East:Turkish_East2 (Erzurum2)
    Turkish_East:Turkish_East7 (Erzurum3)
     




    Turkish_East:Turkish_East1/Erzurum1 (Global25 mixed mode)
    1. 74.9% Azeri_Turkey + 25.1% Georgian_Imer @ 0.022442
    2. 72.0% Azeri_Turkey + 28.0% Laz @ 0.022659
    3. 70.8% Azeri_Turkey + 29.2% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.023028
    4. 29.1% Armenian_Hemsheni + 70.9% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.023103
    5. 44.6% Armenian + 55.4% Azeri_Dagestan @ 0.023350
    6. 32.4% Armenian + 67.6% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.023832
    7. 72.4% Azeri_Turkey + 27.6% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.023953
    8. 47.6% Ingushian + 52.4% Iranian_Jew @ 0.024715
    9. 43.2% Azeri_Turkey + 56.8% Turkish_East @ 0.024968
    10. 22.3% Abkhasian + 77.7% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.025055
    11. 61.0% Azeri_Dagestan + 39.0% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.025165
    12. 77.4% Armenian + 22.6% Tajik_Rushan @ 0.025233
    13. 79.8% Azeri_Turkey + 20.2% Greek_Central_Anatolia @ 0.025755
    14. 47.6% Adygei + 52.4% Iranian_Jew @ 0.025774
    15. 61.8% Azeri_Dagestan + 38.2% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.025814
    16. 45.7% Circassian + 54.3% Iranian_Jew @ 0.025863
    17. 40.7% Assyrian + 59.3% Azeri_Dagestan @ 0.026023
    18. 79.7% Armenian + 20.3% Tajik_Ishkashim @ 0.026033
    19. 78.4% Armenian + 21.6% Tajik_Shugnan @ 0.026051
    20. 55.4% Iranian_Jew + 44.6% North_Ossetian @ 0.026118

    Turkish_East:Turkish_East2/Erzurum2 (Global25 mixed mode)
    1. 49.4% Azeri_Turkey + 50.6% Georgian_Imer @ 0.022109
    2. 41.2% Georgian_Imer + 58.8% Turkish_East @ 0.022378
    3. 43.3% Azeri_Turkey + 56.7% Laz @ 0.022809
    4. 62.5% Armenian + 37.5% Ossetian @ 0.022838
    5. 48.4% Ezid + 51.6% Georgian_Imer @ 0.023475
    6. 66.7% Armenian + 33.3% North_Ossetian @ 0.023610
    7. 64.4% Armenian + 35.6% Ingushian @ 0.023991
    8. 84.8% Greek_Trabzon + 15.2% Kalash @ 0.024070
    9. 61.3% Armenian_Hemsheni + 38.7% Azeri_Dagestan @ 0.024218
    10. 55.8% Abkhasian + 44.2% Iranian_Jew @ 0.024276
    11. 49.0% Iranian_Jew + 51.0% Ossetian @ 0.024295
    12. 34.5% Iranian_Fars + 65.5% Laz @ 0.024444
    13. 36.2% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 63.8% Laz @ 0.024522
    14. 41.6% Azeri_Dagestan + 58.4% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.024669
    15. 59.5% Georgian_Imer + 40.5% Iranian_Jew @ 0.024762
    16. 58.7% Armenian_Hemsheni + 41.3% Azeri_Turkey @ 0.024771
    17. 38.4% Iranian_Lor + 61.6% Laz @ 0.024812
    18. 41.8% Ezid + 58.2% Laz @ 0.024821
    19. 36.3% Adygei + 63.7% Armenian @ 0.024835
    20. 59.5% Georgian_Imer + 40.5% Mountain_Jew_Chechnya @ 0.024847

    Turkish_East:Turkish_East7/Erzurum3 (Global25 mixed mode)
    1. 63.6% Iranian_Lor + 36.4% Laz @ 0.016838
    2. 40.2% Armenian_Hemsheni + 59.8% Iranian_Lor @ 0.017303
    3. 37.3% Greek_Trabzon + 62.7% Iranian_Lor @ 0.017335
    4. 61.8% Iranian_Lor + 38.2% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.017439
    5. 49.9% Greek_Trabzon + 50.1% Iranian_Seyyed @ 0.017465
    6. 52.9% Armenian_Hemsheni + 47.1% Iranian_Seyyed @ 0.017633
    7. 49.2% Iranian_Seyyed + 50.8% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.017750
    8. 74.0% Greek_Trabzon + 26.0% Makrani @ 0.018022
    9. 25.3% Makrani + 74.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018081
    10. 46.7% Greek_Trabzon + 53.3% Iranian_Fars @ 0.018181
    11. 31.3% Iranian_Bandari + 68.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018203
    12. 49.7% Armenian_Hemsheni + 50.3% Iranian_Fars @ 0.018267
    13. 67.9% Greek_Trabzon + 32.1% Iranian_Bandari @ 0.018343
    14. 52.4% Iranian_Fars + 47.6% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018369
    15. 23.5% Brahui + 76.5% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.018552
    16. 24.1% Brahui + 75.9% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.018849
    17. 23.7% Balochi + 76.3% Turkish_Trabzon @ 0.019017
    18. 37.3% Armenian + 62.7% Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 0.019173
    19. 70.7% Armenian_Hemsheni + 29.3% Iranian_Bandari @ 0.019334
    20. 24.4% Balochi + 75.6% Greek_Trabzon @ 0.019361

    Interestingly, Erzurum Turks, especially those from central parts of Erzurum, are very close to the Udi people of Azerbaijan on ADMIXTURE-based calculators. The Udi are thought to be descended from Caucasian Albanians. The resemblance might be coincidental though.


    Udi samples
     


    Not really sure tbh. The rest of the Turkish East show obvious disparities to those 2 samples. Not even a 'shift' but more like different ancestry altogether.

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    Origins of Arpad dynasty, here and here

    Besides the Y-dna, some interesting mt-DNA lines.

    H1b
    1. ..., daughter of a Novgorod boyar.
    2. Euphrosina of Kiev
    3. Béla III of Hungary

    H7b1
    1. (Armenian? woman)
    2. Morfia of Militene
    3. Alix of Jerusalem
    4. Constance of Antioch
    5. Anna (Agnes) of Antioch, wife of Béla III

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    Origins of Arpad dynasty, here and here

    Besides the Y-dna, some interesting mt-DNA lines.

    H1b
    1. ..., daughter of a Novgorod boyar.
    2. Euphrosina of Kiev
    3. Béla III of Hungary

    H7b1
    1. (Armenian? woman)
    2. Morfia of Militene
    3. Alix of Jerusalem
    4. Constance of Antioch
    5. Anna (Agnes) of Antioch, wife of Béla III
    H1b was also found in Fatyanovo, Bell Beakers, Bronze Age Latvia and especially Globular Amphora. It seems most of it clades are of Globular Amphora/Late CWC origin at least in North Europe

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    Seems like the famous "crack-pot pseudo-scientist" Thor Heyerdahl - claiming ancient S-American indians sailed the Pacific to reach Polynesia - was completely right, all along.


    Native South Americans were early inhabitants of Polynesia

    DNA analysis of Polynesians and Native South Americans has revealed an ancient genetic signature that resolves a long-running debate over Polynesian origins and early contacts between the two populations.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01983-5

    At the end of the day we have an awful lot of professionals - often bragging about refuting and ridiculing Dr. Heyerdahls works - ending up as the real crack-pot pseudo-scientists. What a darn waste of public funds...
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    Totally wrong attitude, bro. People had every right to be skeptical of Heyerdahl considering how unlikely it was that such contacts happened. And Heyerdahl still had some cranky ideas. Being right about something by accident is nothing to brag about.

    That said, we have had some reason to believe there was limited Polynesian-Amerind contact due to the sweet potato and the similarity of the words used for it in both regions.
    Ελευθερία ή θάνατος.

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    I recall a few years ago, there was also a chicken and egg arguement, that was settled by DNA that proved the presence of chickens that were native to South America, but were found present in Polynesia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    Seems like the famous "crack-pot pseudo-scientist" Thor Heyerdahl - claiming ancient S-American indians sailed the Pacific to reach Polynesia - was completely right, all along.


    Native South Americans were early inhabitants of Polynesia

    DNA analysis of Polynesians and Native South Americans has revealed an ancient genetic signature that resolves a long-running debate over Polynesian origins and early contacts between the two populations.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01983-5

    At the end of the day we have an awful lot of professionals - often bragging about refuting and ridiculing Dr. Heyerdahls works - ending up as the real crack-pot pseudo-scientists. What a darn waste of public funds...
    The paper says this is ONE, just ONE case of South American to Polynesian transfer.
    Heyerdahl's case was that they ALL came from there.
    This is the exception that proves the general rule.

    And depending on how you read him (even if like me he was a childhood hero) he is now either completely wrong, or right something like 0.001% of the time.
    The question is: how and when did those South American plants reach the places they did?
    I think we need some plant pop gen here.

    And when that Pacific Ocean riddle has been worked out, why not try another one:
    how did the bottle tree/baobab end up all around the Indian Ocean?
    Not even Thor had a crack at that one!

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