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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    There were 2 R1b found, the Caucasus/Anatolian one is R1b-V1636, the Levant ones are R-M269, and R(tbd).
    Yes thanks I forgot about that one.
    Carlos Quiles has notes on that sample in his blog post.
    https://indo-european.eu/2020/05/dem...aryan-arrival/

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Yes thanks I forgot about that one.
    Carlos Quiles has notes on that sample in his blog post.
    https://indo-european.eu/2020/05/dem...aryan-arrival/
    That guy is a troll.

    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/...ckpottery.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Megiddo was a hot-spot for the Hurrian mariayannu whose name is considered related to the Indo-Aryan marya.
    So possibly a mariyannu descendant.
    I2189
    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post
    He's derived at R1a1:PF7542, R1a1a:CTS5069, R1a1a:CTS570, R1a1a1:F3551/V8042/PF6231 and ancestral at R1a1a1b1a1a1c:CTS11962.1/Z2953.1, R1a1a1b1a1a1c1:AMM272/S4548/Z2954, R1a1a1b2a2a3:S23592, R1a1a1b2e1:F17329. We should wait for bam files for other snps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    So possibly a mariyannu descendant.
    I2189
    Quite a chance these are those ancient Asuras described in Rig Veda & early civilization before the advent of MLBA people from up north.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    So possibly a mariyannu descendant.
    I2189
    As L657 guy myself it would be nice to see it in Megiddo and i hope for it but i have the feeling he will turn out R1a-F1345+. We have to remember that Z2124 and L657 formed around 5000 years ago much before Iranics and Indo-Aryans formed. So later Indo-Aryans could have likely Z2124 and some Iranics L657. Maybe some groups of R1a-F1345+ were Indo-Aryan speaking. But on the otherside this speculation from my side is based on modern y-dna distribution, which is bottlenecked and of course not really that representative. Many clades are possible even Y40+ so we really need to wait and see what is in the bam files.
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    Funding has been secured to test 40,000 year old cave art in Spain for aDNA. Seems like a long shot, but it's obviously a cool, stable environment and we've seen more recent Scandinavian gum pay off:

    "Victoria cave researcher, Genevieve von Petzinger, is suddenly in a pretty good position to find what she calls the Holy Grail of her field.

    "The University of Victoria paleoanthropologist, who specializes in European cave art, has been awarded a National Geographic grant to test genetic material found in cave wall paint in Spain to try to find out who forgot to sign their work at least 40,000 years ago."

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...586533?cmp=rss
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    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,100 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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    The Irish Department of Culture has been in touch with Spain regarding the 16th century nobleman Red Hugh O'Donnell's remains. Red Hugh was on his way to Spain, to request aid from Prince Philip III, when he died in 1602.
    Valladolid was the capitol of Spain at that time. That is where O'Donnell is believed to be buried.
    Christopher Columbus is also said to be interred at the same site.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/department...11359-May2020/
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    RA1496 T+, RA1487 T+, DF23-, L1066-, L21+, M153-, M222-, M269+, M37-, M65-, P312+, P66-, SRY2627-, U106-, U152-, Z253-

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmokeefe View Post
    A systematic investigation of human DNA preservation in medieval skeletons
    Cody Parker, Adam B. Rohrlach, Susanne Friederich, Sarah Nagel, Matthias Meyer, Johannes Krause, Kirsten I. Bos, Wolfgang Haak

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    Ancient DNA (aDNA) analyses necessitate the destructive sampling of archaeological material. Currently the dense inner portion of the petrous pyramid, the location of the skull that houses the inner ear, is the most sought after skeletal element for molecular analyses of ancient humans as it has been shown to yield high amounts of endogenous DNA. Destructive sampling of the petrous pyramid, assuming its recovery, is often not recommended for highly valued specimens. To investigate alternatives, we present a survey of human aDNA preservation for each of ten skeletal elements in a skeletal collection from Medieval Germany. Through comparison of human DNA content and quality we confirm best performance of the petrous pyramid and identify seven additional sampling locations across four skeletal elements that yield adequate aDNA for most applications in human palaeogenetics. Our study provides a better perspective on DNA preservation across the human skeleton and takes a further step toward the more responsible use of ancient materials in human aDNA studies.
    ^^
    Bad news: Nothing is as good as a petrous.…
    Some day something new will come along and we'll get some answers about subjects like the Amesbury Archer
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    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Illuminating Genetic Mysteries of the Dead Sea Scrolls

    Illuminating Genetic Mysteries of the Dead Sea Scrolls
    Sarit Anava, Moran Neuhof, Hila Gingold, Noam Mizrahi , Mattias Jakobsson, Oded Rechavi

    Highlights
    Dead Sea Scrolls fragments made of animal skins are classified based on ancient DNA
    Disambiguating the debated relationship between fragments reveals new insights
    Paleogenomics finds that some scriptural scrolls were brought from outside Qumran
    Qumran and Masada scrolls represent the broad cultural matrix of Greco-Roman Judea
    Summary
    The discovery of the 2,000-year-old Dead Sea Scrolls had an incomparable impact on the historical understanding of Judaism and Christianity. “Piecing together” scroll fragments is like solving jigsaw puzzles with an unknown number of missing parts. We used the fact that most scrolls are made from animal skins to “fingerprint” pieces based on DNA sequences. Genetic sorting of the scrolls illuminates their textual relationship and historical significance. Disambiguating the contested relationship between Jeremiah fragments supplies evidence that some scrolls were brought to the Qumran caves from elsewhere; significantly, they demonstrate that divergent versions of Jeremiah circulated in parallel throughout Israel (ancient Judea). Similarly, patterns discovered in non-biblical scrolls, particularly the Songs of the Sabbath Sacrifice, suggest that the Qumran scrolls represent the broader cultural milieu of the period. Finally, genetic analysis divorces debated fragments from the Qumran scrolls. Our study demonstrates that interdisciplinary approaches enrich the scholar’s toolkit.
    YFull: YF14620 (Dante Labs 2018)

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    Ancient admixture into Africa from the ancestors of non-Africans


    Christopher Bernard Cole, View ORCID ProfileSha Joe Zhu, Iain Mathieson, Kay Prfüer, View ORCID ProfileGerton Lunter

    Genetic diversity across human populations has been shaped by demographic history, making it possible to infer past demographic events from extant genomes. However, demographic inference in the ancient past is difficult, particularly around the out-of-Africa event in the Late Middle Paleolithic, a period of profound importance to our species' history. Here we present SMCSMC, a Bayesian method for inference of time-varying population sizes and directional migration rates under the coalescent-with-recombination model, to study ancient demographic events. We find evidence for substantial migration from the ancestors of present-day Eurasians into African groups between 40 and 70 thousand years ago, predating the divergence of Eastern and Western Eurasian lineages. This event accounts for previously unexplained genetic diversity in African populations, and supports the existence of novel population substructure in the Late Middle Paleolithic. Our results indicate that our species' demographic history around the out-of-Africa event is more complex than previously appreciated.


    Source: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...06.01.127555v1

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