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    Volcae originate in south west france , near spain. They where conquered by the romans in 121bc.

    Cimbri in italy arrived circa 1000AD from the bavarian part of the alps.........they always married italian alpine women


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    The grey areas between Celtic and Germanic seem pretty big. I'm sure it's just because the Tocharians have been discussed a lot on this board recently but the issue reminds me of something Mallory said in “The Problem of Tocharian Origins” which is that by the iron age Tocharians can't be distinguished from Iranics archaeologically.

    In the case of Celtic and Germanic speaking peoples the overlap surged both ways at different times and places making everything all the more difficult to trace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrusco View Post
    Not a difficult problem really because when the term Volcae was used Cimbri and Teutoni were already gone.
    It was reconstructed to proto-Germanic and the Cimbri and Teutoni were mentioned up to Tacitus time.

    Quote Originally Posted by etrusco View Post
    Also I don't think that peoples that in order conquered eastern England, sacked and destroyed Rome, stormed the greek world, conquered a good chunck of Anatolia, invaded the balkans and reached southern poland and conquered a fair bit of western Ukraine ( we have La Tene findings all over Romania, Moldova and the pontic steppe) had much difficulty in invading southern scandinavia which was just a stone thrown away from their core territory. Also if like spruthean said they had a very big role in the building up of the germanic ethnogenesis is fair to assume that they were not only neighbor but reached also some core germanic territory. Jutland perfectly fits the bill in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Is it this subclade or not?: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S5982/

    TMRCA of this purported Premyslid subclade is ca. 1850 years before present according to YFull, already in the Common Era?

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    I guess it goes to show the Celtic link between Bohemia and Britain.
    Afaik, R1b1a2a1a2c1b1b1a3a1 (S5982 > ZS4581 > Z17817 > BY615 > BY451) is under R-ZS4584 (TMRCA 1700 ybp) - https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-ZS4584/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikorth View Post
    There's a rumor going around that sampled Khazar Y-DNA is R1a and Q (with just one Q). Wouldn't be too surprising.
    Btw, considering Khazars have absorbed and mixed with Israelite Jews (both Romaniote from nearby Byzantine Empire and Romaniotes living in the Crimean peninsula which was part of the Khazar Khaganate, and Mizrahi Jews such as Georgian, Caucasian and Iraqi/Persian Jews from nearby geographical locations), as attested in the Schechter Letter, and have been extensively intermarrying with Iranian Steppe people such as Alans, we can't 100% rule out that some of them would have Jewish subclades or general Western Eurasian subclades. After all, Q-M378 is also common for Armenians and Western Iranians, however the subclades are different.

    So expect Elhaik and Co. to throw a festival once the study is out, especially if there would be any Q1b haplogroups there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    Btw, considering Khazars have absorbed and mixed with Israelite Jews (both Romaniote from nearby Byzantine Empire and Romaniotes living in the Crimean peninsula which was part of the Khazar Khaganate, and Mizrahi Jews such as Georgian, Caucasian and Iraqi/Persian Jews from nearby geographical locations), as attested in the Schechter Letter, and have been extensively intermarrying with Iranian Steppe people such as Alans (this is historically recorded, as Kevin Brook would gladly attest to), we can't 100% rule out that some of them would have Jewish subclades or general Western Eurasian subclades. After all, Q-M378 is also common for Armenians and Western Iranians, however the subclades are different.

    So expect Elhaik and Co. to throw a festival once the study is out, especially if there would be any Q1b haplogroups there.
    Even if Taleb quoted Reich correctly about the Khazar autosomal makeup? I wonder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikorth View Post
    Even if Taleb quoted Reich correctly about the Khazar autosomal makeup? I wonder...
    It's unlikely that he did. There's very little chance that Khazars will be similar to Mongolians. I'm guessing they'll turn out more or less like the Nogais who live in that region still.

    But even so, it's hard to see how Elhaik could spin that to his advantage, although I guess he'll do his best whatever happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikorth View Post
    Even if Taleb quoted Reich correctly about the Khazar autosomal makeup? I wonder...
    Yeah, sure. He'll probably find a way to argue Reich is wrong. I mean, in his latest blog entry, he used Scarlet Johansson, half Danish half Ashkenazi, as an example of how the typical Ashkenazi Jew look like (with his end point being that this somehow proves they have nothing to do with the Levant). This reduces the level of his arguments to theapricity levels, honestly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    It's unlikely that he did. There's very little chance that Khazars will be similar to Mongolians. I'm guessing they'll turn out more or less like the Nogais who live in that region still.

    But even so, it's hard to see how Elhaik could spin that to his advantage, although I guess he'll do his best whatever happens.
    If Khazars are like the Nogais Elhaik won't have very hard time, he might just say the eastern component is from the Huns, or Common Turks with Khazars being Oghur, and that the unmixed ones converted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikorth View Post
    If Khazars are like the Nogais Elhaik won't have very hard time, he might just say the eastern component is from the Huns, or Common Turks with Khazars being Oghur, and that the unmixed ones converted.
    He somehow changed his view, focusing now on my own subclade, Q-Y2197, claiming it's from the Khazars (the "Ashina" royalty of the Khazars). So he doesn't technically claim all Ashkenazi Jews are Khazar converts, he still claims we are Irano-Anatolian-Slavic people with perhaps 0-3% Levantine admixture.
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