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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    In this video, at 30:34 the map with 7000 samples is shown:

    Just look how many samples from Israel\Jordan, must be more than a hundred samples. Looks like we will get unpublished aDNA from that area.
    And a cluster in Western France, somewhere near modern Nantes. I do not remember a publication with many ancient samples from area.
    Next, a group of dots just a bit south from Archangelsk, North Russia. I guess they are unpublished jet.
    And a cluster near Odessa. There where Scythian, Cimmerian and Cherniakiv samples from that region, but what we see is a very dense cluster with much more dots than we have samples already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    In this video, at 30:34 the map with 7000 samples is shown:
    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    I'm really looking forward to the Mesopotamian data, this is very sorely needed. The Arabian samples should be quite interesting as well. And of course, more Egyptian data is great.

    I've been told about the Maltese samples, so I more or less know what to expect. It seems we'll also be seeing some Cycladic samples, that should be quite interesting.
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    I am really looking forward for Northern Mesopotamian data. I hope they will include samples from the Halaf and Ubaid like cultures.
    Northern Mesopotamia consists of parts of South-Eastern Turkey, Northern Syria and Northern Iraq.

    As far as I can see from the map, Northern Mesopotamian cities like Diyarbakır and Mardin (up to the Lake Van) are filled with blue dots. Which other cities can you guys see? I guess the city Şanlıurfa is not covered?
    If I should guess, the Pre Pottery cultures like the Körtik Tepe (Diyarbakır) and Boncuklu Tarla (Mardin) will be included. From the excavations in the past, hundreds of human skeletal remains from these cultures were found and collected.

    But what about Northern Syria and Northern Iraq? The map shows nothing from Northern Syria. I am not sure, but there seems to some dots around Mosul (located in the Northern Mesopotamian region), am I right? Can you guys see any other Northern Iraqi cities?
    I hope they considered studying the Halaf and Proto Halaf samples from sites like Tell Arpachiyah, Tell Hassuna and Jarmo.

    I am also very much looking forward to the Southern and Northern Caucasus data.
    Regarding Southern Caucasus there seems to be some samples from Azerbaijan, but there seems to be a lot of samples from Armenia and Georgia. I hope they included a lot of samples from the cultures like Leyla Tepe and Shulaveri Shomu.
    And there seems to be a lot of samples from Northern Caucasus, so I think they have a lot more samples from the Maykop and Kura Araxes cultures (more than what is already published).

    When will all this be published, does anyone have any kind of information on the publication date of the samples from these regions, please share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    So all those blue dots are ancient DNA? That's impressive.
    Well, that's most plausible interpretation. If, as some people claim, blue dots represented modern DNA data, we would have way more blue dots in Finland than in Turkmenistan, because modern Finnish population is much more studied genetically than Turkmens. But on the map we see an opposite, and it's logical: there is way more ancient human remains from Turkmenistan than from Finland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    Well, that's most plausible interpretation. If, as some people claim, blue dots represented modern DNA data, we would have way more blue dots in Finland than in Turkmenistan, because modern Finnish population is much more studied genetically than Turkmens. But on the map we see an opposite, and it's logical: there is way more ancient human remains from Turkmenistan than from Finland.
    In the previous studies we saw that the Reich lab and other labs studied medieval individuals from the Ghaznavids, Karluks, Karakhanids and Kangju. Do you know if there will be more from them, and also samples from medieval Turkmenistan, for instance from the Oghuz Yabgu or the Khwarazmians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    If, as some people claim, blue dots represented modern DNA data, we would have way more blue dots in Finland than in Turkmenistan, because modern Finnish population is much more studied genetically than Turkmens.
    A small, drifted population like Finns can easily sort of hijack a study which means that the number of samples related to that drifted group has to be limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manesh View Post
    In the previous studies we saw that the Reich lab and other labs studied medieval individuals from the Ghaznavids, Karluks, Karakhanids and Kangju. Do you know if there will be more from them, and also samples from medieval Turkmenistan, for instance from the Oghuz Yabgu or the Khwarazmians?
    Have no idea.

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    Interestingly enough it looks like there are samples from the North Sea...

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    The Netherlands seems to have new samples too. But the map is too rough to actually place them.

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    Really interested to see what comes from the all the blue dots in North Africa - a bunch in Egypt, plus a big blob in what looks like Saharan Algeria and a few dots in Mauritania/Western Saharan(?). Also a smattering of blue dots in northwest Arabia, a big clump in the UAE, and I think some unpublished stuff in Iraq and Iran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    In this video, at 30:34 the map with 7000 samples is shown:

    In light of this, does this part from Reich's book have more weight?


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