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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    They did a study similar to the Lech valley study, but focused on a Corded ware and got similar results, it should be published in a couple of months if I have heard correctly.
    Can't watch this right now. Does he mention a specific Corded Ware site/region?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Can't watch this right now. Does he mention a specific Corded Ware site/region?
    No, he doesn't. He just briefly mentioned that they have such study, but because it's not yet published, he cannot tell much about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    Yes, below the Y DNA frequencies in France and Germany according to Eupedia (https://www.eupedia.com/europe/europ...logroups.shtml)

    France (%)
    I2*/I2a 3, I2b 3.5, I1 8.5
    G 5.5
    T 1
    E1b1b 7.5
    R1b 58.5
    R1a 3
    J2 6 J*/J1 1.5
    Q 0.5 N 0

    Germany (%)
    I2*/I2a 1.5, I2b 4.5, I1 16
    G 5
    T 1
    E1b1b 5.5
    R1b 44.5
    R1a 16
    J2 4.5, J*/J1 0
    Q 0.5 N 1

    In a country with 80 million inhabitants as Germany, a frequency of 1% still means ca 400 000 males. G, T and E1b1b form 14% of y lines in France and 11.5% in Germany and these three y lines do not cover all lines rooted in the Neolithic.
    I could be wrong but I have the feeling that regions of europe that get impacted the most by the Single Grave Yline introgression are the ones that are tested the most ( westernmost europe ) and others like the deep south and the balkans seem less tested I think the overall picture will turn out to be roughly half the european population traces back its yline to the sigle grave culture and the other half to paleo and old european Yline. If you sum up all these data the latter Ylines would make up a country bigger than the USA.

    I would weigh in on other issues of this video but I think it is not wise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angoliga View Post
    Where can one obtain the files?

    Should be interesting to see which subclade(s) these R-V88 samples fall under.
    Almost all ancient V88 samples are in fact pre-V88, so they can't fall under any existing V88 subclade. Only 3 samples out of total 31 with available BAMs are fully developed V88, and all three belong to downstream subclade V88>Y7777>Y8451:

    I0410; 5294-5066 BC; Els Trocs; Spain; Iberia_EN; R1b1b1-V2219>V88>Y7777>Y8451* (xY8447,V35); Mathieson 2015, Lipson 2017

    CHA002; 5299-5070 BC; Cueva de Chaves; Spain; Iberia_EN; R1b1b1-V2219>V88>Y7777>Y8451; Villalba-Mouco 2019

    R6; 5242-5177 BC; Grotta Continenza; Italy; Italy_EN; R1b1b1-V2219>V88>Y7777>Y8451; Antonio 2019

    Most, if not all samples from upcoming Marcus et al. and Fernandes et al. papers should also be fully developed V88, and most likely V35 and/or M18 further downstream.

    As for the rest of them, they are all somewhere along the line between V2219 and V88. Yfull recently divided former V88 level into two (not very accurately, I might add), but there are at least two more levels between V2219 and V88. I analyzed calls from all ancient V2219 samples with available BAM files and identified these levels:

    V2219* (xPF6340) (Iron Gates_HGs, mostly from the Romanian side of the Danube)

    V2219>PF6340* (xY8457) (Iron Gates_HGs, all from the Serbian side of the Danube; Blatterhohle_MN samples from Germany, and possibly two Iberian Bell Beaker samples)

    V2219>PF6340>Y8457* (xPF6299?) (Ukrainian Mesolithic and Neolithic samples, Chalcolithic sample from Bulgaria)

    V2219>PF6340>Y8457>PF6299/V88 (fully developed V88 samples)

    These last two could in fact be one level, because PF6299 showed inconsistent calls among Ukrainian samples, and there are no other ancestral SNPs among them.


    Some interesting observations:


    - Iron Gates_HGs belonged to two different V2219 lineages, which split from each other several thousand years before these analyzed individuals lived.

    - Middle Neolithic samples from Blatterhohle could've been descendants of some Iron Gates_HG group (more specifically the one from Padina site) which were picked up and brought to Central Europe by Anatolian Farmers. Not only V2219 samples from Padina and Blatterhohle are on the same level (V2219>PF6340*), but there are also samples that belong to extremely rare subclade I2a1-(pre)M838 both at Padina and Blatterhohle (I5236 and I1565, respectively).

    - Samples closest to fully developed V88 aren't Iron Gates_HGs or Germany_MN, but Mesolithic and Neolithic samples from Ukraine. They could even be fully developed V88, but we would need several shotgun sequenced Ukraine_MESO/EN samples to accurately determine the status of PF6299 and 23 more V88-level SNPs which are not covered by 1240K.

    Here's the relevant spreadsheet:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_H1...ew?usp=sharing
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    And Dr. Kristiansen exaggerated a bit in saying all the Neolithic male lines were completely wiped out, leaving only the steppe y-dna lines R1b and R1a.
    He also said "We are all Russians."
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    He also said "We are all Russians."
    And to think, just ten years ago or so we were all Basques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    He also said "We are all Russians."
    Until now it was believed, and it is contained in all books on archaeology, that CWC (Fatyanovo culture) came to Russia from Poland. In the picture from the report arrow on Fatyanovo culture is immediately from Yamnay culture, without entering Poland. I wonder if this is just a simplification of the graphics or there is evidence that Fatyanovo culture originated immediately from Yamnay culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    So, I watched the video, not much new, two things I noted:

    1. They are now studying thousand samples from Mediterranean, they hope to finish studying them next year.

    2. They did a study similar to the Lech valley study, but focused on a Corded ware and got similar results, it should be published in a couple of months if I have heard correctly.
    Where exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    He also said "We are all Russians."
    Calling Ukraine Russia is.. painful, considering recent history. I'll forgive him, though.

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    Well, Ukraine is just Old Russia, or part of it anyway.

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