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Thread: Z251 (L21>DF13>Z251) and Subclades L555 & L583

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppy View Post
    I received the last of my Z251 Panel results and my final branch is S19558. I won't have the money for the Big Y or Y Prime for quite a while due to some more unforeseen expenses. I did a quick search on S19558 before posting here and didn't see much of anything. Any tips on where to look?

    Hoppy

    S19558 is downstream from Z251 > S11556 > Z17665 and is a parallel branch under Z17665 to Z18108 (that kits 180639 and 220731 seem to have).

    The previously mentioned "Hopkins" kit 188401 in Alex Williamson's Big Y tree also tested positive for SNP S19558, and is your one close relative with a GD of 5 at 67 markers. Ken predicted you would turn out to be positive for S19558 and you are. Hard to tell how old S19558 is at this point, but it helps identify your line under Z251. You should write to this other Hopkins and get him to join the Z251 and Subclades project.
    Last edited by seferhabahir; 03-12-2015 at 04:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seferhabahir View Post
    What's your FTDNA kit number? How many markers have you tested? There are three people in the S9294* category in the Z251 project (202983, 208276, 374145) all seeming to be related to James MacKall, Baron of Caithness, b. c. 1545 and all tested out to 111 STR markers. Do you know if you are related to any of those folks or to James MacKall? Since these three are the only other people I know about that are also S9294* it might be a good investment to test out to 67 or to 111 markers to see how close you come to them. I think that would be the thing to try.

    Hoppy may also be coming back as a S9294* but since I don't see that he has any other results yet below S11556, I don't know if he will.

    Seferhabahir,
    Thanks for your response. I am not S19558+ like Hoppy. My terminal SNP was S9294. I think I might do the 67 markers and join the Z251 project. I have a Scottish grandmother and I can trace her ancestry to 1700 Dalmellington, Scotland. My grandfather was Welsh, but was adopted so his ancestry is a mystery. i don't see many Welsh with Z251. Then again, DNA testing is slow to happen in Wales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seferhabahir View Post
    S19558 is downstream from Z251 > S11556 > Z17665 and is a parallel branch under Z17665 to Z18108 (that kits 180639 and 220731 seem to have).

    The previously mentioned "Hopkins" kit 188401 in Alex Williamson's Big Y tree also tested positive for SNP S19558, and is your one close relative with a GD of 5 at 67 markers. Ken predicted you would turn out to be positive for S19558 and you are. Hard to tell how old S19558 is at this point, but it helps identify your line under Z251. You should write to this other Hopkins and get him to join the Z251 and Subclades project.
    I have emailed the "other" Hopkins 188401 and asked him to join the Z251 and Subclades Project. Hopefully he will join. All of my communication to the other Hopkins has been through his cousin who administers his account. I emailed them both.
    Sorry it took almost a month to respond but I have been busy with a project (a boat) at home and haven't been going online much.

    Hoppy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppy View Post
    I have emailed the "other" Hopkins 188401 and asked him to join the Z251 and Subclades Project. Hopefully he will join. All of my communication to the other Hopkins has been through his cousin who administers his account. I emailed them both.

    Hoppy
    He just joined. I put him in D1. Z251>S11556>Z17665>S19558 with you.
    R1b-M343 > L278 > L389 > P297 > M269 > L23 > L51 > L11 > P311 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > Z39589 > Z251 > Z18600 > S11556 > S9294 > BY3231 > FGC11986 > Z18106 > FGC11991 > L583 > FGC11963

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    My best friend whose kit I manage is almost certainly Z251, he is a 36/37 match with the aforementioned Burgin and based on their mutual group project Burgin matches others with my friend's surname at higher levels. I'll have my friend tested for Z251 when I can spare the money and then add him to the Z251 project if he is positive. Right now the only Y-DNA testing my friend has done is a Y-DNA37.

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