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    I3a overview available sequences

    I have searched for all the available sequences of I3a (full and partial) and have made an overview of these sequences. There are clearly a lot of (sub)divisions that are not yet in the latest phylotree build (v 17). If you know of some sequences that I have not mentioned please tell me and then I can insert them as well.

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    Thanks for this, I can see mine in the file.
    Global 25 Ancient Scaled: Anatolia_N 54.4, EHG 19.2, Morocco_Iberomaurusian 10, Iran_N 8.2, Yoruba 4.8, WHG 3.4
    Global 25 Scaled Closest Individuals (Moderns and Ancients): Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425 3.29%, Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I8146 3.93%, Lebanon_Medieval_Mixed:SI-41 3.97%

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    Quote Originally Posted by -MvD- View Post
    I have searched for all the available sequences of I3a (full and partial) and have made an overview of these sequences. There are clearly a lot of (sub)divisions that are not yet in the latest phylotree build (v 17). If you know of some sequences that I have not mentioned please tell me and then I can insert them as well.

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    I wonder if that all people mentioned in your document share the same I0117 Mt-gene mutations . Then it means that I0117 is our common maternal ancestor. I0117 is a woman buried 4000 years ago at Esperstedt GR Unetice Culture (Early Bronze Age). I0440 is even older than I0117, found at Lopatino (Samara) Sok River, tributary of the Volga River. I am I3a and I have 16357C mutation which is not on your tree.
    I check the Mt-DNA of the Yamnaya sample I0440, It is identical to the Unetice sample of Western Europe , then we can say that I0440 & I0117 are closely relared with respect to the maternal line.
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    My father-in-law's on there. He's 278732. I'm looking forward to them defining that one further step below I3a but that will be all he get. No more mutations.

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    I3 in Mesolithic Sardinia

    http://www.unica.it/pub/print.jsp?id=34799&iso=96&is=7

    The Mesolithic sequences of samples of Su Carroppu, in fact, belong to groups called J2b1 and I3, whose current certification in Europe record low frequencies (J, <16%) or very low (I <3%)
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    If this gets confirmed in the actual paper, this would be the oldest I3 found so far. If truly mesolithic, it would also be close to the current age estimates of I3.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog...storic_Samples
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_(mtDNA)#Tree
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Nu...nia#Mesolithic
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    The paper is out (http://www.nature.com/articles/srep42869) . The age range is currently very close to the current age estimate of I3. Could this be the geo origin of I3? As I3a has been connected to the spread of IE, how does this result change things (if it does)?

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    According to Maciamo at Eupedia "It looks like there might have been a Mesolithic expansion from the Steppe to the West Mediterranean long before the PIE migrations"

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...ithic-Sardinia

    "Those results are really strange. Nowadays haplogroup I3 is found mostly in northwestern Europe. In ancient samples it only showed up in the Unetice culture and in Scythian sample from southern Russia. Mt-haplogroup I is generally associated with Yamna-derived cultures, except I5 which appears to be related to the Kura-Araxes expansion.

    MtDNA J2b is found in most of Europe and the Middle East, but some subclades are specifically European. This is the case of J2b1a (NW Europe + Russia like I3), J2b1b (Britain and Ireland), J2b1c (Greece and Russia). Once again, it appears to have a Yamna origin and spread with R1b tribes. Why on Earth would they be found in Mesolithic Sardinia of all places? This reminds me of the equally strange presence of typical Eastern European haplogroups (H2a1, H6a1, U4a2, U4c1) in Mesolithic Northwest Africa. It looks like there might have been a Mesolithic expansion from the Steppe to the West Mediterranean long before the PIE migrations. Perhaps that would explain how Y-haplogroup R1a* (not even the EHG R1a1a-M17, but the older M420 or SRY1532.2) and mtDNA U4 got into Cantabria (Pasiegos) too."
    Global 25 Ancient Scaled: Anatolia_N 54.4, EHG 19.2, Morocco_Iberomaurusian 10, Iran_N 8.2, Yoruba 4.8, WHG 3.4
    Global 25 Scaled Closest Individuals (Moderns and Ancients): Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425 3.29%, Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I8146 3.93%, Lebanon_Medieval_Mixed:SI-41 3.97%

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    I3 came about around the same time that this person lived (at least according to current estimates based on mutations). It would require a very quick movement to Sardinia after being born in the Steppe. Definitely an interesting find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faulconer View Post
    The paper is out (http://www.nature.com/articles/srep42869) . The age range is currently very close to the current age estimate of I3. Could this be the geo origin of I3? As I3a has been connected to the spread of IE, how does this result change things (if it does)?

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    This result is very very amazing. Since there is no I3 at all in continental Europe during Mesolithic. U Mt-haplogroup is overwhelming.

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    New I3a results from the Beaker paper

    I've added a couple more I3a from the new Beaker paper to my list (I3602, I3529 & I1775). Interesting to see this subclade and shared haplotype found from Russia to Hungary to Germany to Wales. Seems to line up nicely with the western spread of IE.

    I0440 I3a, Lopatina II, Russia 2885-2665 calBCE (Beta 392492) Poltavka

    I3602 I3a Hungary Budakalász,*Csajerszke (M0 Site 12) 2500–2200 BCE Heavy Steppe component BB
    73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C

    I3529 I3a Germany Alburg-Lerchenhaid, Spedition Häring, Stkr. Straubing,Bavaria 2300–2150 BCE Less Steppe than i3602 BB
    73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C

    I0117 I3a Germany Esperstedt 2272-2039 calBCE (3743±25 BP, MAMS-21496) Unetice
    73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C
    (RSRS from paper) C146T, C195T, T199C, T204C, G207A, T239C, A247G, T250C, 573.XC, A769G, A825t, A1018G, G1719A, A2758G, C2885T, T3594C, G4104A, T4312C, A4529t, G7146A, T7256C, A7521G, G8251A, T8468C, T8655C, G8701A, C9540T, T10034C, T10238C, T10664C, A10688G, C10810T, C10873T, C10915T, A11914G, G12501A, G13105A, G13276A, T13506C, T13650C, A13780G, G15043A, A15924G, T16086C, T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, T16278C, C16311T, G16391A


    I0114 I3a Germany Esperstedt 2130-1978 cabBCE
    73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 573.XC, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C, 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C
    (RSRS from paper) C146T, C195T, T199C, T204C, G207A, T239C, A247G, T250C, 573.XC, A769G, A825t, A1018G, G1719A, A2758G, C2885T, T3594C, G4104A, T4312C, A4529t, G7146A, T7256C, A7521G, G8251A, T8468C, T8655C, G8701A, C9540T, T10034C, T10238C, T10664C, A10688G, C10810T, C10873T, C10915T, A11914G, G12501A, G13105A, G13276A, T13506C, T13650C, A13780G, G15043A, A15924G, T16086C, T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, T16278C, C16311T, G16391A


    I1775 I3a? Wales Great Orme Mines, Llandudno, North Wales 1693–1600 calBCE (3344±27 BP, OxA-14308) Britain BA
    73G, 152C, 199C, 204C, 207A, 239C, 250C, 263G, 750G, 1438G, 1719A, 2706G, 4529T, 4769G, 7028T, 8251A, 8860G, 10034C, 10238C, 10398G, 11719A, 12501A, 12705T, 13780G, 14766T, 15043A, 15326G, 15924G, 16086C/T(85/15 heteroplasmy), 16129A, 16223T, 16391A, 16519C

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