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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishTypeIII View Post
    Hi Scythe,

    I am not sure what Ancestry.com are presently providing in the way of STR markers, but what you are looking for is DYS459=8,9 and DYS464=13,13,15,17.

    To my knowledge, there has been NO rs number assigned to the SNP L226.
    http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index12.html

    Testing Z253 Plate at YSeq will definitely test L226 and all branches currently known under this SNP. If you are L226+ then you are Irish Type III.

    And of course, if you are L226+ we need to talk further.

    Dennis Wright
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    Ancestry don't sell STR tests these days. There are some Y SNPs on the AncestryDNA chip but nothing very useful for your purposes I think partly because the SNPs were picked several years ago. M222 is on there though :-) For elimination purposes the latter appears as

    rs20321 24 14902414 A A

    if you are derived.

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    I'll keep you in the loop. YSEQ should be sending the kit in a few days and I presume it will take a few weeks to get results back.

    Here is an example of the raw data file from Ancestry DNA. Rather worthless for anything other than checking for predisposition of reaction to medication and potential health issues.

    rsid chromosome position allele1 allele2
    rs4477212 1 82154 T T
    rs3131972 1 752721 G G
    rs12562034 1 768448 G G
    rs11240777 1 798959 G G
    rs6681049 1 800007 C C
    rs4970383 1 838555 C C
    rs4475691 1 846808 C C
    rs7537756 1 854250 A A
    rs13302982 1 861808 G G
    rs1110052 1 873558 T T
    rs17160698 1 887162 T T
    rs3748597 1 888659 C C
    rs13303106 1 891945 G G
    rs28415373 1 893981 C C
    rs13303010 1 894573 A A
    rs6696281 1 903104 C C

    Etc Etc Ad Infinitum

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacUalraig View Post
    Ancestry don't sell STR tests these days. There are some Y SNPs on the AncestryDNA chip but nothing very useful for your purposes I think partly because the SNPs were picked several years ago. M222 is on there though :-) For elimination purposes the latter appears as

    rs20321 24 14902414 A A

    if you are derived.
    I'm not sure I follow. Testing negative or positive for M222 would eliminate what exactly?

    My data set shows:
    rs20321 24 14902414 G G

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    It would eliminate you belonging to the largest section of the largest SNP tested DF13 haplogroup. 14902414 G>A M222 G is ancestral
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    MJost
    148326, FGC-0FW1R, YSID6 & YF3272 R-DF13>FGC5494>*7448>*5496>*5521>*5511>*5539>*5538>* 5508>*5524
     
    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1ís fatherís sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scythe View Post
    I'm not sure I follow. Testing negative or positive for M222 would eliminate what exactly?

    My data set shows:
    rs20321 24 14902414 G G
    You are negative ie M222-. Its one of if not the biggest Irish haplogroup so its useful to eliminate it.

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    Alright then. As I understand it an L226 person would test negative for M222, yeah?

    "Significantly M222 was found to be negative clearly differentiating this group from NW Irish that has been found to be positive on this marker."
    http://www.irishtype3dna.org/index.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scythe View Post
    Alright then. As I understand it an L226 person would test negative for M222, yeah?

    "Significantly M222 was found to be negative clearly differentiating this group from NW Irish that has been found to be positive on this marker."
    http://www.irishtype3dna.org/index.php
    Yes, in very crude terms its a brother group. More associated with northern parts of Ireland but it does reach down to Munster albeit in smallish numbers.

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    While I was waiting on my YSEQ test kit to arrive, I had a thought about my grandmother's maiden name Herron. When I followed that rabbit trail it lead me to Ahearn or ” hEarŠin who was the brother of Brian Boru. Are there any mtDNA tests to prove an Irish Type III lineage or would I have to locate a male relative on the Herron side of my tree to donate a buccal swap for a y-seq test?

    Thanks in advance for all the help, folks!

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    Boy, 2012, that seems like such a long time ago now! Much has changed. An L226 snp pack from FTDNA became available, which I bought, and my son is now listed on FTDNA as R-DC40. The steps are: L226>FGC5660>FGC5628>DC40, and these are the raw results:

    BY1092-, BY4091-, BY4092-, BY4100-, BY4102+, BY5212-, DC1-, DC10-, DC106-, DC11-, DC115-, DC12-, DC128-, DC135-, DC147-, DC15-, DC153-, DC160-, DC172-, DC175-, DC180-, DC187-, DC189-, DC19-, DC191-, DC197-, DC198-, DC199-, DC201-, DC205-, DC209-, DC214-, DC227-, DC235-, DC24 *, DC246-, DC249-, DC25-, DC251-, DC26-, DC269-, DC275-, DC278-, DC280-, DC284-, DC29-, DC291-, DC292-, DC297-, DC30-, DC302 *, DC31-, DC310-, DC311-, DC313-, DC315-, DC317-, DC318-, DC35-, DC36-, DC38-, DC39-, DC40+, DC41-, DC42-, DC43-, DC44-, DC45-, DC46-, DC47-, DC48-, DC49-, DC50-, DC51-, DC52-, DC53-, DC54-, DC55-, DC62-, DC63-, DC64-, DC65-, DC69-, DC70-, DC8 *, DC80-, DC9-, DC93-, DF13+, FGC12290-, FGC12292-, FGC12295-, FGC12296-, FGC12297-, FGC12298-, FGC12302-, FGC13418-, FGC5618 *, FGC5626+, FGC5627+, FGC5628+, FGC5632+, FGC5638+, FGC5639-, FGC5641+, FGC5642+, FGC5645-, FGC5647-, FGC5650+, FGC5654+, FGC5655+, FGC5656+, FGC5659-, FGC5660+, L226+, Y5610-, YFS231286-, ZZ31_1+, ZZ34_1-, ZZ35_1-

    The turn-around on the test results were amazing: purchased 9/8/16, received results 9/28/16. I've had single snp's take 4 1/2 months!

    He shows 18 67-marker matches, none very close. Many show positive for snp's my son is negative for, so red-herrings? Though, still too few snp test...guys, check your Y results and consider deep snp testing so we can all learn more about how these families fit together.

    Ancestry stats:
    Screen Shot 2016-09-30 at 5.40.31 PM.jpg

    Here is the eldest confirm ancestor, 3rd great grandfather of tester:
    http://person.ancestry.com/tree/5232...36100987/facts
    My Gedmatch kits: M102536 (v3 upgrade); M054852 (v2); A449981 (Ancestry v1)
    Known: 87.5% UK/Ireland American Colonial; 12.5% PA Dutch Mennonites from Germany & Switzerland
    J1c3i mitochondrial ancestress was Swiss Mennonite from Conestoga, Lancaster PA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little bit View Post
    Boy, 2012, that seems like such a long time ago now! Much has changed. An L226 snp pack from FTDNA became available, which I bought, and my son is now listed on FTDNA as R-DC40. The steps are: L226>FGC5660>FGC5628>DC40, and these are the raw results:

    BY1092-, BY4091-, BY4092-, BY4100-, BY4102+, BY5212-, DC1-, DC10-, DC106-, DC11-, DC115-, DC12-, DC128-, DC135-, DC147-, DC15-, DC153-, DC160-, DC172-, DC175-, DC180-, DC187-, DC189-, DC19-, DC191-, DC197-, DC198-, DC199-, DC201-, DC205-, DC209-, DC214-, DC227-, DC235-, DC24 *, DC246-, DC249-, DC25-, DC251-, DC26-, DC269-, DC275-, DC278-, DC280-, DC284-, DC29-, DC291-, DC292-, DC297-, DC30-, DC302 *, DC31-, DC310-, DC311-, DC313-, DC315-, DC317-, DC318-, DC35-, DC36-, DC38-, DC39-, DC40+, DC41-, DC42-, DC43-, DC44-, DC45-, DC46-, DC47-, DC48-, DC49-, DC50-, DC51-, DC52-, DC53-, DC54-, DC55-, DC62-, DC63-, DC64-, DC65-, DC69-, DC70-, DC8 *, DC80-, DC9-, DC93-, DF13+, FGC12290-, FGC12292-, FGC12295-, FGC12296-, FGC12297-, FGC12298-, FGC12302-, FGC13418-, FGC5618 *, FGC5626+, FGC5627+, FGC5628+, FGC5632+, FGC5638+, FGC5639-, FGC5641+, FGC5642+, FGC5645-, FGC5647-, FGC5650+, FGC5654+, FGC5655+, FGC5656+, FGC5659-, FGC5660+, L226+, Y5610-, YFS231286-, ZZ31_1+, ZZ34_1-, ZZ35_1-

    The turn-around on the test results were amazing: purchased 9/8/16, received results 9/28/16. I've had single snp's take 4 1/2 months!

    He shows 18 67-marker matches, none very close. Many show positive for snp's my son is negative for, so red-herrings? Though, still too few snp test...guys, check your Y results and consider deep snp testing so we can all learn more about how these families fit together.

    Ancestry stats:
    Screen Shot 2016-09-30 at 5.40.31 PM.jpg

    Here is the eldest confirm ancestor, 3rd great grandfather of tester:
    http://person.ancestry.com/tree/5232...36100987/facts
    I talked to the principal FTDNA today. He set some kind of dictate about the maximum time from the date the order was received to the time the lab started execution of that particular test batch. At least on tests like SNP Packs and Big Y we should see decent turnaround times.

    The L226 SNP Pack credit should go to Dennis Wright and whoever supports him. He pushed hard for a robust test. I helped a little but all I did was encourage FTDNA to get more youthful SNPs and then talked them into the idea (which is true) that L226 is a very big testing group.

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