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    Complicated Origin of E-V13

    So I have heard many theories on E-V13 ranging from its arrival in europe being a recent event to ones hinting at a much more ancient presence in Europe in Balkans in particular. What do most people agree on? My opinion is it has been in Balkans since late Mesolithic however they quickly changed to Neolithic way with its arrival from the Near East.

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    do you think it aws born in the Balkans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jof2311 View Post
    do you think it aws born in the Balkans?
    I'd say so. However it's ancestor definetly was either Levant or North East Africa.
    Last edited by Bes; 08-03-2016 at 06:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bes View Post
    My opinion is it has been in Balkans since late Mesolithic however they quickly changed to Neolithic way with its arrival from the Near East.
    Could you explain why you think like that?


    Quote Originally Posted by Bes View Post
    However it's ancestor definetly was either Levant or North East Africa.
    The same thing here - why are you so sure?

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    While Mesolithic and Paleolithic data from the Balkans (Greece in particular) is sorely needed to elucidate the origins of E-V13, I somehow doubt this lineage already was in Europe during the Mesolithic (let alone during the Paleolithic).
    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bane View Post
    Could you explain why you think like that?



    The same thing here - why are you so sure?
    I'm not sure but it's the theory I like and choose to believe.

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    It is well known that haplogroups such are R1b, R1a and even I to a certain extent were subjects of different studies with aim to better understand relation between their phylogenetic structure and geographic distribution in Europe.
    With this post I'm making a public appeal for similar research of E-Z1919 haplogroup (which is ancestor to E-V13). I believe that such a study will not just contribute to better understanding of E-V13, but because of "complex presence" of this haplogroup in Europe I believe it would have a significant influence to understanding of prehistory in Europe in general.

    Maybe this kind of appeal is naive, maybe someone would say it is a bit selfish, but anyway, I'm sure if would have such paper available it would be valuable for everyone who has interest in the population genetics. So, if there are members of the forum which know some of the professionals who are in a position to work on and publish what I've just described - tell them about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bes View Post
    I'd say so. However it's ancestor definetly was either Levant or North East Africa.
    L618 has been found only in Europe so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurumim View Post
    I'm E-V13
    ok
    e-v13 in moldova :
    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0053731
    adam
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