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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    At this moment in time, what was the most likely route that E-V13 ancestor took to leave North Africa? Was it directly from Tunisia into Southern Italy or through the Levant-Anatolia route?
    I read a while ago a paper that predicted through computer models that it may have taken a sea route through Libya. Although not much evidence was given outside of the computer model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    For now the most probable route is from levant, via the cardium culture, by sea, not through anatolia.
    I can't agree with that. I don't have an answer to drobbah's question but I'm aware of arguments which are against a route connected to Levant.
    On the other side there are no arguments against routes which would go through Western Mediterranean.

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    The Ancient Egyptians knew only river shipping. The Phoenicians began to sail around 1100 BC. E-V13 originated 7kyo and it seems to be a problem to find any evidences about seafaring of neolitic times (sunken ships or rafts can not resist in the environment of sea water for 70 centuries).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bane View Post
    I can't agree with that. I don't have an answer to drobbah's question but I'm aware of arguments which are against a route connected to Levant.
    On the other side there are no arguments against routes which would go through Western Mediterranean.
    So, from where exactly Western Mediterranean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    So, from where exactly Western Mediterranean?
    My guess is L618 originated in Late Iberomaurusian/Early Capsian culture, and then crossed from modern Tunisia to Sicily, and then to Southern Italy and Balkans. I wrote about this in more detail a few years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    My guess is L618 originated in Late Iberomaurusian/Early Capsian culture, and then crossed from modern Tunisia to Sicily, and then to Southern Italy and Balkans. I wrote about this in more detail a few years back.
    Interesting. Is it like established among Yugoslav archaeologists that Mesolithic Crvena Stijena shows similarities with Capsian? Because i have heard newer archeologists refuted Čović conclusions.

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    Cardium pottery culture fits nicely IMO.


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