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    Is L1335/L1065 still regarded as Pictish? I was reading this website http://www.clanmaclaurin.org/2016/06...1100-1790.html and it claims that the McLaren's, McRaes, McArthurs, McVickers are decended from Campbell's that married into the O'Duibne family in the 13th century. The Campbell's themselves claim decent from the Strathclyde Britons based at Dumbarton. Since we know that L1335 is also in Wales isn't a Cumbric origin more likely for L1335/L1065 than a Pictish or Dalriadic origin?
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    My understanding that Clan McLaren claim descent from "Lorn who was the son of Erc", i.e., the founder of Cenel Loairn. They certainly have no recent association with the Campbells of the Isles or the current results for MacArthurs.

    They are closer in relative terms to the MacGregor, i.e., sometime before 500 AD, and they in turn claim to be of Clan Alpin and hence Cenel Gabhrain.

    It is possible that the descendants of Loarn are S764+ and those of Fergus are S691+. The question is finding enough data to prove the point either way.

    We also know that L1335+ L1065- is also in Ireland (including some MacQuillans, a surname associated with Route i.e. home of Dal Riada).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muireagain View Post
    My understanding that Clan McLaren claim descent from "Lorn who was the son of Erc", i.e., the founder of Cenel Loairn. They certainly have no recent association with the Campbells of the Isles or the current results for MacArthurs.

    They are closer in relative terms to the MacGregor, i.e., sometime before 500 AD, and they in turn claim to be of Clan Alpin and hence Cenel Gabhrain.

    It is possible that the descendants of Loarn are S764+ and those of Fergus are S691+. The question is finding enough data to prove the point either way.

    We also know that L1335+ L1065- is also in Ireland (including some MacQuillans, a surname associated with Route i.e. home of Dal Riada).
    The only proven source of L1335+L1065- is Welsh so how you get to Dal Riada from that is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rncambron View Post
    The only proven source of L1335+L1065- is Welsh so how you get to Dal Riada from that is beyond me.
    I looked at the L1335 project result page: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

    See - Modal 2.1.2 L1335+, L1065-, Ireland Group DYS481 = 20

    I also don't think MacDougall is a Welsh surname.
    See - Modal 2.1.1 L1335+, L1065- , Wales Group

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muireagain View Post
    I looked at the L1335 project result page: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

    See - Modal 2.1.2 L1335+, L1065-, Ireland Group DYS481 = 20

    I also don't think MacDougall is a Welsh surname.
    See - Modal 2.1.1 L1335+, L1065- , Wales Group
    It is a great pity that the Administrator of the FTDNA L1335 Project can't cope with NGS SNP results

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    Concerning the L1335+ L1065- surnames:

    Campbell (kits 90880 & 110594) this it a English name applied to those surnamed in Gaelic Mac Cailein Mor. The Campbell of the Isles are a branch L1065, hence these two kits are not technically Campbells. They may have possible got the surname because they because they lived with Campbells or that their original Gaelic surname was homonym with Mac Cailein Mor. Cailein Mor is in English Collin the Great.

    Collins (kit 22505) potentially is from the same Gaelic surname as the Campbells above.

    McCullen (kit 166443) is from the Anglicization of two Gaelic surnames Mac Cailein or Mac Cuileann. Clearly Mac Cailein connects with the above two surnames.

    McQuillan (kits 169141, 169142, 169143, N17785) is from the Anglicization of Gaelic surnames Mac Cailein, Mac Cuileann or Mac Uidhlin. Clearly Mac Cailein connects with the above surnames.

    All 9 kits could have share a common Gaelic surname Mac Cailein, which in turn is a homonym of Mac Uidhlin. The importance of this is YFULL.COM gives L0165 an age of 1579 ybp, i.e., approximately 430 AD. These testees come from Ireland while L1065+ testes are associated with Ireland.

    If these testees are from a single family, originally called in Gaelic Mac Uidhlin, then I think we are looking at the Irish Dal Riata.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rncambron View Post
    It is a great pity that the Administrator of the FTDNA L1335 Project can't cope with NGS SNP results
    It was recently discovered that Robert Hughes the Administrator of the FTDNA L1335 Project passed away. A new administrator recently stepped up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter MacDonald View Post
    It was recently discovered that Robert Hughes the Administrator of the FTDNA L1335 Project passed away. A new administrator recently stepped up.
    Rest easy Robert, my thoughts and prayers to the Hughes family. The GG community has lost a tremendous contributor and innovator, he will be sorely missed.

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