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    Germanic paternal lineages in Germany - map

    Here's my map of Germanic Y-DNA lineages in Germany. My source is mainly the German FTDNA Project. Enjoy.

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    Ancestral maternal origin: Nordic Bronze Age > Pre-Roman Iron Age > Roman Iron Age > Germanic Iron Age > Longobard

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    Which ones did you count as Germanic in Germany, the same ones as in Italy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Which ones did you count as Germanic in Germany, the same ones as in Italy?
    I-M253, I-M223, R-U106 and R-Z284.
    Last edited by Passa; 08-13-2016 at 01:09 AM.
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    I'm guessing more R1b-U106 in Bavaria and more I1 in northern Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can't_lurk_no_mo' View Post
    I'm guessing more R1b-U106 in Bavaria and more I1 in northern Germany.
    Given that the hotspot for R1b-U106 in Busby et al was Friesland at 42.6%, and its Germany South sample was 19.8%, it seems likely U106 is more frequent in northern than in southern Germany.

    Of course, I don't know what the stats for FTDNA's Germany Project are.

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    I think I would have contributed to the light spot on the middle left.
    Paternal Line: Rhineland Germany (J2-Z387) - Confirmed
    Maternal Grandfather - (Škofja Loka, Slovenia) - R1a1 - Y2613 - Confirmed
    Paternal G-Grandfather - Germany - R1b - U106 - Confirmed
    Maternal G-Grandfather - Briano, Caserta, Italy - Possible R1b - L51

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    Osnabrück-Bielefeld region has >70% of Germanic Y-DNA, while Wittenberg-Leipzig only <10%.

    It seems that Martin Luther, who was born near Leipzig, had a typically Slavic subclade of I2a1.

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    I2-M223 is as Germanic as haplogroup J1&J2 is Arabic and E is Berber. Eupedia.com mindset is still pretty much alive these days.

    So the answer is - part of it is but it is a subbranch that matters. Is there a possibility to find certainly Germanic clades within M223? From what I've seen - some of the branches are actually well confined to the Celtic world: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L1195/ , https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3684/ , whereas it looks Germanic: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L1425/ . There is even a Norse branch: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y4926/
    some branches are heavily mixed: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z2069/

    It wouldn't have changeg a map significantly, though. I'm just curious about a character of I2-M223 in Germany.
    Last edited by Artmar; 08-13-2016 at 09:43 AM.

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