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Thread: R1b Early Branching Phylogeny (SNP based family tree)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tqes View Post
    Recently got my results, from Ftdna Z2103 pack:

    R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2109>CTS7822>CTS9219>Y18959> Y5587>Y5586

    Most common in Bulgaria, some samples in Spain and Germany. I am of portuguese origins... by the distribution I think Legio IV Macedonica... Can anyone help me figure this out?
    Welcome to the forum. Forgot about this thread. Nice to reflect what was originally posted within the 5 year anniversary range of this thread. Here is what I posted way back in 2013- with regards R1b variance lines 5586/5587 compared to L277 found in Bashkir-Nazarov. At that time we had a rough idea trying to compare apples with oranges strs and new snps. Although some had pointed to the region of Levant and Anatolia as to the origin of 5586/5587 and L277, new scientific studies have shown that Yamnaya also carried a branch of R1b. Also Alans aka Ossetians also carry a branch of R1b as well as Sarmatians.

    04-20-2013, 12:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Well it seems rather odd the base model for Bashkir's haplotype is 12 24 14 10 X X X 12 12 13 13 30 - 10. who had a common ancestor 500+/- ybp is closer to my numbers than Nazarov.

    L23+

    12 24 14 10 X X X 12 12 13 13 30 - 10. Bashkir base model
    12 24 14 10 X X X 12 12 11 14 31-Poland
    12 21 14 11 X X X 12 12 12 13 28- Khazakstan
    As we get more autochthonous R1b samples from both Europe/Steppe[20-30+/-samples] and Levant/Anatolia/Iran[1 sample] the matter should begin to resolve itself as to origin, of both R1b L277 and R1b- 5586 and 5587 lines.
    Last edited by Silesian; 07-22-2017 at 01:18 PM.

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    There's a new R1b-M343 (P312-, U106-) Phylogenetic Tree found at the R1b Basal Subclades project. Best to download the searchable PDF version because of it's size. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups.../about/results
    YFull R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Y14512>Y20971>Y22199, ISOGG R1b1a1a2a2c1b Y14416, FTDNA R-M64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe B View Post
    There's a new R1b-M343 (P312-, U106-) Phylogenetic Tree found at the R1b Basal Subclades project. Best to download the searchable PDF version because of it's size. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups.../about/results
    So does I0122 Khvalynsk R1b guy really belong to the same V1636 clade as the Kura-Araxes boy? I was actually expecting the clade to be more rooted since very ancient times around Caucasus area, at least for Georgian, Armenian and Iranian haplotypes...recently an updated version of the Yfull tree is dating its TMRCA to 6200 ybp, on average.
    Last edited by Invisible Sun; 01-16-2018 at 11:12 PM.

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