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Thread: "Indus Valley" and "Kalash" admixtures in Khvalynsk?

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    Yamnaya-Khvalynsk admixture(s) in South & Central Asia

    I uploaded I0122 genome from Khvalynsk culture to DNA.Land:

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    The result is interesting - "Indus Valley" and "Kalash" appeared:

    Khvalynsk culture from the Volga Region, sample I0122:

    "Ancestry Report" from DNA.Land:

    https://s10.postimg.org/ck84j9wyh/Kh...mple_I0122.png

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    Is it a signal of Khvalynsk-derived ancestry in Indus Valley and among the Kalash?

    Or is it a signal of prehistoric South Asian admixture among Khvalynsk population?

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    Yamnaya culture, sample I0443 (Lopatino II, Sok River):

    12% "Indus Valley" and ~6% "Kalash":


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    Apparently, Khvalynsk on the Volga was quite a hub back in the day, with both Indian and Amerindian communities. The food scene was great.

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    ^ OK, jokes aside - it shows quite well what we already know from Haak 2015.

    I.e. that Lithuanians and Norwegians have the highest % of Yamnaya admixture.

    So no surprise that I0443 Yamnaya sample scores "Northwest European" and "North Slavic".

    "Northwest European" - reference populations (Norwegians, Icelanders, Orcadians, etc.):

    https://s10.postimg.org/7hr7k3umh/Ivan_Yamnayev.png

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    These results make perfect sense.

    Of course they show in which modern populations alleles found in Khvalynsk / Yamnaya samples peak.

    So they show which modern populations are descended from Khvalynsk / Yamnaya respectively.

    Already Haak 2015 wrote that North-East Europeans (such as Lithuanians and Belarusians) and Scandinavians (such as Norwegians or Norwegian-descended Orcadians and Icelanders) have the highest percent of Yamnaya ancestry. Therefore it is no surprise that this "Ancestry Report" for ancient Yamnaya sample looks like ancestry report for some modern person with mixed Belarusian-Norwegian-Indo-Iranian grandparents.
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    The fact that Khvalynsk scores some Amerindian but Yamnaya doesn't is interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Yamnaya culture, sample I0443 (Lopatino II, Sok River):

    12% "Indus Valley" and ~6% "Kalash":


    It is impossible that Yamnaya had any Kalash admixture because Kalash dna is the result of a later admixture event between local South Central Asians/South Asians and steppe people . Also i doubt Yamnaya had any Central Asian or South Asian admixture at all because Yamnaya got CHG from the Caucasus and there are no evidences yet for an early migration of South Central Asians into East Europe. Kalash and South Central Asians have likely just small amount of direct Yamnaya admixture and we know that it were later Andronovo-derived steppe people which brought most of the steppe admixture to this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    The fact that Khvalynsk scores some Amerindian but Yamnaya doesn't is interesting.
    Probably reflecting the Palaeo-Siberian admixture evident in Mesolithic Russia - mtDNA Hg C, and Y hg Q, which probably came with Microblades and other such contacts after 8000 BC.
    I'm not sure - was it 'lost' in Yamnaya due to admixture with Caucasian women ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    The fact that Khvalynsk scores some Amerindian but Yamnaya doesn't is interesting.
    Khvalynsk has a higher ratio of ANE via it's higher ratio of EHG.

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