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    R1b - Arab

    Hello, I am an Anatolian Arab from South-East Anatolia. I made a y-37 markers test on familytreedna. My str-values are: 13,24,15,10,13-13,12,13,12,12,13,28,15,9-9,11,11,27,14,17,28,14-14-16-17,11,11,23-23,15,16,17,16,35-36,13,11 :
    The values are unusual and this is also the reason why Familytreedna couldnt determine my haplogroup. After that familytreedna ordered a Backbonetest for me and now I have got my y-Dna haplogroup and it is R-M343. It is unusual because my tribe originates from central Arabia (yes but it seems like my paternal ancestors not..). So I wanted to ask what is behind my ethniticy on my paternal site.
    The weird thing is that several different haplogroup predictors said that I am probably Haplogroup Q.
    Attachment 10904
    This is from nevgen.
    hrpg.PNG
    And this one is from hrpg“s prediction.
    Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows:
    R1b-C.Europe =>50% Q-M242-Group5 =>24% Q-Cluster1 =>7% R1a1-English =>6% R1b-Ub =>5% R1b-North/South 1 =>4% J1-M267 =>1% Q-M242-Main =>1% R1b-S.Irish =>1% R1b-Irish/Continental =>1%
    And the last one is from Jim Cullen's Haplogroup Predictor. What I do not understand on that site is that the percentages change when I click on "predict Haplogroup".
    Last edited by raspberry; 09-16-2016 at 02:00 PM.

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    Welcome!

    First off, it's good that Family Tree DNA ran a backbone SNP test for your results; you can trust test result over the various haplogroup predictors on the Internet. Many of them haven't been updated for quite some time and are generally (but not always) intended for those with common Western European haplogroups.

    R1b isn't particularly common in Arabia, but it's found there. You'll find a number of such results in the R1b Basal Subclades Family Tree DNA Project; you should join that project if you're not already a member.

    Have your DNA matches (if you have them) at FTDNA tested any SNPs beyond M343? If so, that may provide some more information about your ancestry.

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    The sad thing is that I have no matches in the entire database..

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    Anatolian Arab from where? I've spent a decent amount of time in Antakya, Urfa, Midyat, and Diyarbakir, and am fascinated by the area's ethnic history.

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    Congrats on your results and welcome to the site raspberry.

    I was gonna say you're probably L584 like rest of the people on tje region (Armenians, Kurds, Syriacs) but having zero STR match in the database complicates this. And you might be indeed M343*. M343* is not a frequent haplogroup its below 5% anywhere but tops in Iranians and particularly Kurds compared to rest of people in the region who are mostly L584, having hailed from a predominantly Kurdish area that would only make sense.

    I've just seen smal is lurking this thread hopefully he can say something. Anywaythere's no doubt you're R1b, FTDNA backbone test is solid. You should try a SNP package, or you can order 23andMe and get your further downclade on top of that have your autosomal dna results.

    Good luck on your quest.
    Last edited by MfA; 08-10-2016 at 10:03 PM.
    E-M84>FGC18389>FGC18413>FGC18401>FGC18422>Y99171 tMRCA 2550ybp

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    Quote Originally Posted by wandering_amorite View Post
    Anatolian Arab from where? I've spent a decent amount of time in Antakya, Urfa, Midyat, and Diyarbakir, and am fascinated by the area's ethnic history.
    I am from an arabic village between Mardin and Diyarbakir ("abode of Bakr" translated from arabic to english: named after the central arabian tribe of Bani Bakr ibn Wa“il wich settled there already in pre-islamic times).
    Midyat is pretty near to my village. I am from the same province (Mardin). But the next bigger city is called Sav(w)ur (maybe you know also that city)
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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    The sad thing is that I have no matches in the entire database..
    You need to test for V88 and L389 (or R1b-M343 Backbone SNP Pack). Having results for these markers we will be able to find the correct matches for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by swid View Post
    You'll find a number of such results in the R1b Basal Subclades Family Tree DNA Project
    Please join our project.

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    Yes of course it would be possible but the problem is that the most frequent haplogroups of the Kurds are:
    J2:23,6%
    E:12,6%
    J1:11,8%
    R1b:11,2%
    R1a:10,6%
    R2:6,9%
    I:6,0%
    T:5,4%
    G:5,0%
    F:2,8%
    L:2,1%
    P:0,9%
    C:0,5%
    H:0,4%
    Q:0,1%
    So as you can see, the kurds are not mostly from R1b..
    Someone from Eupedia suggested that I am maybe from a new branch of R1b wich is not known until now ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by smal View Post
    You need to test for V88 and L389 (or R1b-M343 Backbone SNP Pack). Having results for these markers we will be able to find the correct matches for you.


    Please join our project.
    I joined, my kit number is 501793

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    Welcome
    there are many results among Iraqi Arabs which have R1b ,but they are mainly R-M269 ,in Arab T project ,there are 7 results having R1b on R-M269 https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults
    However, what is your presumed tribe ?
    also it is normal to have no matches in the entire database , also I don't have any match in the entire database and I am Syrian Arab from north west Syria.
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