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    Question Why do people of Western European descent contrast k13 and k15 results ?

    Why do people of wholly Western European descent (as much as one can be that is within reason) contrast k13 and k15 results, on here, rather than just use the original Eutest or something from Dodecadad ? Am I missing something here ? Shouldn't that be for New Worlders etc.. ? Thanks, sorry if it seems to be a lame question but I am a newbie at this.
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    My understanding is that the calculator creator himself, Davidski, suggested in his Eurogenes blog to utilize the K13 for more heavily admixed populations such as New Worlders of British diaspora. K13 was recommended over K15 to prevent "soup"-like results. I then assume that Europeans of possibly less admixed heritage found it reliable, too. Heck, I've even seen Middle Eastern and a fully Japanese man get spot-on results. There are also several NE Euro posters such as Finnish & Latvian who get very close results to their known heritage. Dodecad is not considered to be designed for Western Europeans, I believe. Does anyone not like Eurogenes K13 or -K15? 😊

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    Eurogenes are the most accurate for me.

    They're all pretty similar.

    K13 & K15 in same order:
     
    Code:
    1 	North_Atlantic 		49.41
    2 	Baltic 			21.08
    3 	West_Med 		18.05
    4 	East_Med 		5.03
    5 	East_Asian 		2.31
    6 	West_Asian 		1.98
    7 	Amerindian 		1.31
    8 	Northeast_African 	0.68
    9 	Red_Sea 		0.16
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1 	Southeast_English 	5.54
    2 	Southwest_English 	5.65
    3 	South_Dutch 		6.97
    4 	Orcadian 		7.34
    5 	West_Scottish 		8.19
    6 	Irish 			8.33
    7 	West_German 		8.59
    8 	North_Dutch 		9.2
    9 	French 			9.35
    10 	Danish 			9.6


     
    Code:
    1 	North_Sea		34.61
    2 	Atlantic 		28.99
    3 	West_Med 		13.6
    4 	Baltic 			11.06
    5 	Eastern_Euro 		5.35
    6 	East_Med 		1.97
    7 	Southeast_Asian 	1.91
    8 	Amerindian 		1.15
    9 	West_Asian 		0.76
    10 	Northeast_African 	0.61
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1 	Southwest_English 	4.89
    2 	Southeast_English 	6.22
    3 	Irish 			7.5
    4 	South_Dutch 		7.52
    5 	West_Scottish 		8.09
    6 	North_Dutch 		8.46
    7 	Orcadian 		8.63
    8 	West_German 		9.01
    9 	Danish 			9.12
    10 	French 			9.25


    Dodecad k7b is really close to Eurogenes.

     
    Code:
    1 	Atlantic_Baltic 	74.02
    2 	Southern 		15.23
    3 	West_Asian 		8.34
    4 	East_Asian 		1.76
    5 	African 		0.37
    6 	Siberian 		0.27
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1 	Cornwall (1000Genomes) 		3.43
    2 	Kent (1000Genomes) 		3.85
    3 	English (Dodecad) 		3.87
    4 	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 	3.92
    5 	CEU30 (1000Genomes) 		4.42
    6 	German (Dodecad) 		4.67
    7 	British (Dodecad) 		5.07
    8 	British_Isles (Dodecad) 	5.27
    9 	Dutch (Dodecad) 		5.59
    10 	Irish (Dodecad) 		5.7

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieD View Post
    My understanding is that the calculator creator himself, Davidski, suggested in his Eurogenes blog to utilize the K13 for more heavily admixed populations such as New Worlders of British diaspora. K13 was recommended over K15 to prevent "soup"-like results. I then assume that Europeans of possibly less admixed heritage found it reliable, too. Heck, I've even seen Middle Eastern and a fully Japanese man get spot-on results. There are also several NE Euro posters such as Finnish & Latvian who get very close results to their known heritage. Dodecad is not considered to be designed for Western Europeans, I believe. Does anyone not like Eurogenes K13 or -K15?
    Eurogenes gives me a lot of Scandinavian results, which makes zero sense to me (AFAIK Dutch/English on my maternal side). I only scored 5% speculative Scandinavian on my 23andme results. On the other hand both K13 and K15 do a pretty good job on my paternal Eastern Euro/Baltic/Slavic half. So I guess I don't like half of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_G View Post
    Eurogenes gives me a lot of Scandinavian results, which makes zero sense to me (AFAIK Dutch/English on my maternal side). I only scored 5% speculative Scandinavian on my 23andme results.
    Back in my early DNA test days, my Single top matches on Eurogenes were (1) SE English & (2) Danish. This was comical because it looked like what might be quintessential Anglo-Saxon results. However, I have no known Scandinavian ancestors and get 0% Scandinavian at 23andMe and FTDNA. Then the calculator algorithm must have been tweaked as Danish moved to no. 4 on K13 & no. 5 on K15 & remained there hereafter.

    I would say that my Dodecad 7B results are somewhat similar to Eurogenes K13 and K15 but perhaps a tad more continental. Literally, I have only 1 known German immigrant ancestor and that is quite a ways back in mid-1700s. And he married a Scottish woman before immigrating to America!

    23andMe
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    61% B/I, 15% F/G

    FTDNA:
    80% B/I, 14% Western Euro, 5% Finnish / Siberian

    Eurogenes K13:

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Southeast_English @ 3.614478
    2 South_Dutch @ 5.978817
    3 Orcadian @ 6.023460
    4 Danish @ 6.506250
    5 North_Dutch @ 6.603568

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.860779

    Eurogenes K15:
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Southeast_English @ 2.826921
    2 Southwest_English @ 4.250199
    3 Irish @ 4.878744
    4 West_Scottish @ 5.138741
    5 Danish @ 5.544955

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.472397

    Dodecad 7B:
    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Mixed_Germanic @ 2.458659
    2 German @ 2.885993
    3 Cornwall @ 3.438579
    4 CEU30 @ 3.963504
    5 Dutch @ 4.077201

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Argyll + Mixed_Slav + North_Italian + Norwegian @ 0.000000

    Dodecad definitely makes me the most "well-balanced" European as the 4-mixed mode seems to literally cover all 4 corners of Europe. Scandinavian populations show up more in mixed-mode but with a southern pull to balance:

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 73.4% Swedish (Dodecad) + 26.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 0.31
    2 79.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 20.4% Greek (Dodecad) @ 0.38
    3 66.6% Swedish (Dodecad) + 33.4% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.42
    4 51.4% French (Dodecad) + 48.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 0.43
    5 82% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 18% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 0.47

    I think these calculators show that I am fairly admixed between English and Scottish ancestors with a smattering of Irish and western Euro continental ancestors (plus something making a higher NA score than average Brit). Probably the best pop fit would be "CEU" which I believe is the standard Americans of mostly British diaspora mutt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieD View Post
    My understanding is that the calculator creator himself, Davidski, suggested in his Eurogenes blog to utilize the K13 for more heavily admixed populations such as New Worlders of British diaspora. K13 was recommended over K15 to prevent "soup"-like results. I then assume that Europeans of possibly less admixed heritage found it reliable, too. Heck, I've even seen Middle Eastern and a fully Japanese man get spot-on results. There are also several NE Euro posters such as Finnish & Latvian who get very close results to their known heritage. Dodecad is not considered to be designed for Western Europeans, I believe. Does anyone not like Eurogenes K13 or -K15? 😊
    No, it just seems to me that for people who know their ancestry well enough to know they don't have any amerindian or recent south or central Asian that they should use the Eutest instead because of the rule of parsimony, in science, or in otherwords the k13 and k15 would be superfluous. In those cases I don't see the point in using k13 and k15. I get significantly different results from the different tests in regards to my ethnic analogues (significant to me anyway but maybe not in the grand scheme of things to others). AFAIK Dodecad is for Western Euros or certain tests are but that it is older and may suffer from the calculator effect more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_G View Post
    Eurogenes gives me a lot of Scandinavian results, which makes zero sense to me (AFAIK Dutch/English on my maternal side). I only scored 5% speculative Scandinavian on my 23andme results. On the other hand both K13 and K15 do a pretty good job on my paternal Eastern Euro/Baltic/Slavic half. So I guess I don't like half of it?
    Well, it depends if your ancestry is Northern English or Southern English. I think Northern English people have Scandinavian blood like the Scots . Also, Keep in mind that Frisia is not far from Denmark. Also, maybe dodecad has a bias towards southern Euros and Eurogenes towards Eastern Euros (Dienekes is Greek and Davidski is Polish) ? Anyway, my guess is maybe your Eastern Euro has a significant distant link to central or south asian groups so maybe why that is more accurate for you ? I dunno man this is all just speculation on my part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewAlbion View Post
    Why do people of wholly Western European descent (as much as one can be that is within reason) contrast k13 and k15 results, on here, rather than just use the original Eutest or something from Dodecadad ? Am I missing something here ? Shouldn't that be for New Worlders etc.. ? Thanks, sorry if it seems to be a lame question but I am a newbie at this.
    I am commenting on Brits as you self-identify as British w/ some Irish so I take it that is your reference to western Europe as the UK is clumped there too.

    But you are aware that Brits / UKers are a relatively mixed bag right? Though to a smaller degree they are not quite dissimilar to colonists. Forgoing the invaders [Anglos, Vikings, etc.] you have the potential very early Iberian settlers, the Huguenots, displaced Spanish Jews during the 1300s also went to the UK if in lesser degree than France / Germany, etc, etc., etc. That is NOT including the mixed offspring that were occasionally brought back by their British fathers to the UK after said fathers' term in an incredibly south or central Asian region expired as they worked for the trading companies. This variation of course expands to include the rest of the western European countries including the incredible south / central Asian as the Dutch were rather known for bringing mixed kids back during the trading era.

    Population movement is not as simple as many would like to believe. Scratch below the surface.


    So this means unless your ancestors only ever married their cousins, thus never marrying anyone outside their remote village, you will carry genes of almost everyone who settled in the UK to varying degree. The degree depends on your origins. And travel was by no means impossible. Otherwise the Americas never would have been colonized in the 1600s. Nor was such travel just for colonization - I mean a so forth great-grandfather on my mother's side travelled from Cornwall to Wexford in the late 1500s-early 1600s as a merchant and his son established the Irish side of the family.


    Quote Originally Posted by NewAlbion View Post
    No, it just seems to me that for people who know their ancestry well enough to know they don't have any amerindian or recent south or central Asian that they should use the Eutest instead because of the rule of parsimony, in science, or in otherwords the k13 and k15 would be superfluous. In those cases I don't see the point in using k13 and k15. I get significantly different results from the different tests in regards to my ethnic analogues (significant to me anyway but maybe not in the grand scheme of things to others). AFAIK Dodecad is for Western Euros or certain tests are but that it is older and may suffer from the calculator effect more.

    Yet you don't give us these results to see if they are indeed note worthy. If you did, we might be able to assist with giving a breakdown as to why the difference.


    I, for example, get a ridiculous and erroneously high amount of Scandinavian on k13 versus my full blooded sibling who is swamped by West Scottish. The "miracle" of recombination means we inherited related but still different pieces of DNA from our ancestors. I say that this identification is erroneous because I have not a single Scandinavian ancestor within the last 600 years. But I have a very Orkney / northern Scottish background on mum's side and as per other DNA research this region is relatively close to the Scandinavian region.

    k13 for example puts Orcadian as #9 for me, it is #2 in k15.


    Neither k13 nor k15 can identify the French in the mixed or 4 ancestor populations if my life depended upon it but comically has no problem with identifying the Spanish [/Basque] ancestry. And by the way it just isn't the UK which is considered western Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieD View Post
    Back in my early DNA test days, my Single top matches on Eurogenes were (1) SE English & (2) Danish. This was comical because it looked like what might be quintessential Anglo-Saxon results. However, I have no known Scandinavian ancestors and get 0% Scandinavian at 23andMe and FTDNA. Then the calculator algorithm must have been tweaked as Danish moved to no. 4 on K13 & no. 5 on K15 & remained there hereafter.

    I would say that my Dodecad 7B results are somewhat similar to Eurogenes K13 and K15 but perhaps a tad more continental. Literally, I have only 1 known German immigrant ancestor and that is quite a ways back in mid-1700s. And he married a Scottish woman before immigrating to America!
    Dodecad definitely makes me the most "well-balanced" European as the 4-mixed mode seems to literally cover all 4 corners of Europe. Scandinavian populations show up more in mixed-mode but with a southern pull to balance:


    I think these calculators show that I am fairly admixed between English and Scottish ancestors with a smattering of Irish and western Euro continental ancestors (plus something making a higher NA score than average Brit). Probably the best pop fit would be "CEU" which I believe is the standard Americans of mostly British diaspora mutt.
    I just ran Dodecad 7 for the first time. The results shifted my stuff way to the east with lots of Lithuanian and Hungarian in the 2/3/4 population mixes with very little North Sea/Atlantic representation.

    Like you and probably most American mutts in most of the admixtures a lot of the lines seem to intersect over Germany and Poland. Eurogenes just shifts the axis from east-west (i.e. UK to Lithuania) to northwest-southeast (i.e. Norway to Ukraine).

    Quote Originally Posted by NewAlbion View Post
    Well, it depends if your ancestry is Northern English or Southern English. I think Northern English people have Scandinavian blood like the Scots . Also, Keep in mind that Frisia is not far from Denmark. Also, maybe dodecad has a bias towards southern Euros and Eurogenes towards Eastern Euros (Dienekes is Greek and Davidski is Polish) ? Anyway, my guess is maybe your Eastern Euro has a significant distant link to central or south asian groups so maybe why that is more accurate for you ? I dunno man this is all just speculation on my part.
    It certainly could be the case that Eurogenes picked up or factored in some Scandinavian looking stuff that 23andme does not in their calculations.

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    In my opinion, as an American (primarily Northern Euro) with mixed and some unkown heritage, Dodecad 7b has displayed my ancestry in the most accurate proportions. I believe it captures all aspects of my ancestry that Eurogenes sometimes fails to. I find that Dodecad is definitely more continental so I feel like it's a more realistic representation. It also matches up with my DNA Land results fairly well.

    My Dodecad 7b results
     
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Baltic 73.93
    2 Southern 13.58
    3 West_Asian 9.76
    4 Siberian 2
    5 South_Asian 0.55
    6 African 0.2

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 2.5
    2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 2.67
    3 Kent (1000Genomes) 2.87
    4 German (Dodecad) 2.99
    5 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 3.17
    6 English (Dodecad) 3.22
    7 Dutch (Dodecad) 3.93
    8 British (Dodecad) 4.15
    9 British_Isles (Dodecad) 4.43
    10 Irish (Dodecad) 4.62
    11 Orcadian (HGDP) 5.1
    12 Argyll (1000Genomes) 5.17
    13 Orkney (1000Genomes) 5.63
    14 Hungarians (Behar) 6.24
    15 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 7.14
    16 French (HGDP) 7.57
    17 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 7.6
    18 French (Dodecad) 7.73
    19 Norwegian (Dodecad) 7.96
    20 Polish (Dodecad) 8.29

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 91.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 8.5% Saudis (Behar) @ 0.57
    2 98% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 2% Nganassan (Rasmussen) @ 0.6
    3 97.7% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 2.3% Yukagir (Rasmussen) @ 0.62
    4 97.9% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 2.1% Evenk (Rasmussen) @ 0.64
    5 97.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 2.4% Dolgan (Rasmussen) @ 0.64
    6 68.3% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 31.7% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 0.67
    7 97.8% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 2.2% Yakut (HGDP) @ 0.67
    8 68.9% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 31.1% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 0.7
    9 97.2% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 2.8% Ket (Rasmussen) @ 0.73
    10 97% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 3% Selkup (Rasmussen) @ 0.76
    11 91.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 8.6% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 0.76
    12 66.4% Belorussian (Behar) + 33.6% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 0.87
    13 65.4% Belorussian (Behar) + 34.6% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 0.89
    14 69.7% French (HGDP) + 30.3% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 0.91
    15 66.4% Belorussian (Behar) + 33.6% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 0.94
    16 69.4% French (HGDP) + 30.6% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 0.95
    17 87.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 12.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 0.96
    18 65.2% Belorussian (Behar) + 34.8% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 0.97
    19 67.2% Belorussian (Behar) + 32.8% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 0.98
    20 63.3% Belorussian (Behar) + 36.7% Spaniards (Behar) @ 0.99


    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Cataluna +50% Lithuanian @ 1.746204


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% German +25% Mordovians +25% Pais_Vasco @ 0.000000


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Andalucia + British + Norwegian + Russian @ 0.000000
    2 Andalucia + Irish + Norwegian + Russian @ 0.000000
    3 Argyll + Murcia + Norwegian + Russian @ 0.000000
    4 Baleares + British + Norwegian + Russian @ 0.000000
    5 Baleares + CEU30 + Dutch + Finnish @ 0.000000
    6 Castilla_La_Mancha + German + Norwegian + Russian @ 0.000000
    7 Castilla_Y_Leon + German + Norwegian + Russian @ 0.000000
    8 French_Basque + German + German + Mordovians @ 0.000000
    9 French_Basque + German + Mixed_Germanic + Mordovians @ 0.000000
    10 Galicia + Kent + Norwegian + Russian @ 0.000000
    11 German + German + Mordovians + Pais_Vasco @ 0.000000
    12 German + Mixed_Germanic + Mordovians + Pais_Vasco @ 0.000000
    13 German + Norwegian + Russian + Spanish @ 0.000000
    14 Irish + Murcia + Norwegian + Russian @ 0.000000
    15 Mixed_Germanic + Mixed_Germanic + Mordovians + Pais_Vasco @ 0.000000
    16 Murcia + Norwegian + Orkney + Russian @ 0.000000
    17 Andalucia + Dutch + Dutch + Finnish @ 0.253466
    18 Aragon + Mordovians + Orcadian + Orkney @ 0.253837
    19 Cantabria + Irish + Irish + Mordovians @ 0.254829
    20 British + Murcia + Norwegian + Russian @ 0.257710


    Eurogenes K13
     
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 49.55
    2 Baltic 24.35
    3 West_Med 14.44
    4 East_Med 4.78
    5 West_Asian 2.82
    6 Siberian 1.76
    7 Oceanian 0.72
    8 South_Asian 0.64
    9 Sub-Saharan 0.56
    10 Amerindian 0.38

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southeast_English 2.74
    2 Orcadian 3.67
    3 Southwest_English 4.42
    4 North_Dutch 5.1
    5 Danish 5.37
    6 West_Scottish 5.49
    7 Irish 5.58
    8 South_Dutch 6.32
    9 North_German 6.63
    10 Norwegian 6.94
    11 West_German 7.7
    12 Swedish 8.52
    13 French 11.42
    14 Austrian 12.94
    15 East_German 13.24
    16 North_Swedish 13.59
    17 Hungarian 17.5
    18 Spanish_Cataluna 18.14
    19 Southwest_French 18.99
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 19.32

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southeast_English +50% Southeast_English @ 2.911119


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Aragon +25% Swedish @ 2.524825


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 2.389475
    2 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.522779
    3 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Aragon + Swedish @ 2.524825
    4 North_Swedish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.616545
    5 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.635303
    6 Danish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 2.656427
    7 Irish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.671065
    8 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 2.676286
    9 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 2.686749
    10 Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.686880
    11 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.701158
    12 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.712121
    13 Danish + Norwegian + Spanish_Aragon + Swedish @ 2.712671
    14 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 2.721426
    15 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.723179
    16 North_Swedish + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.726068
    17 Norwegian + Spanish_Aragon + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.739048
    18 Spanish_Aragon + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.743763
    19 North_Swedish + Spanish_Aragon + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.754467
    20 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.767792


    Eurogenes K15
     
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 33.48
    2 Atlantic 29.79
    3 Baltic 12.52
    4 West_Med 10.11
    5 Eastern_Euro 8.25
    6 East_Med 1.71
    7 Siberian 1.37
    8 West_Asian 1.06
    9 South_Asian 0.62
    10 Oceanian 0.57
    11 Sub-Saharan 0.32
    12 Amerindian 0.21

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southeast_English 4.06
    2 Southwest_English 4.14
    3 Irish 4.82
    4 West_Scottish 5.5
    5 North_Dutch 5.95
    6 Danish 5.95
    7 North_German 5.99
    8 South_Dutch 6.25
    9 Orcadian 7.26
    10 West_German 8.93
    11 Norwegian 8.95
    12 Swedish 9.89
    13 West_Norwegian 10.1
    14 French 10.37
    15 East_German 11.84
    16 North_Swedish 11.88
    17 Southwest_Finnish 14.91
    18 Austrian 15.54
    19 Hungarian 16.63
    20 Spanish_Cataluna 16.82

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 4.237158


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% Southwest_French +25% Swedish @ 2.815303


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.013507
    2 Danish + French_Basque + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.058062
    3 French_Basque + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.106933
    4 French_Basque + Irish + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.151104
    5 French_Basque + Norwegian + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.202165
    6 French_Basque + Irish + North_Swedish + Swedish @ 2.215125
    7 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Swedish @ 2.228215
    8 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.242489
    9 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Swedish @ 2.252825
    10 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Swedish @ 2.285598
    11 French_Basque + Swedish + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.289284
    12 Danish + French_Basque + Norwegian + Swedish @ 2.316815
    13 French_Basque + Swedish + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.326012
    14 French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish @ 2.340219
    15 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.347603
    16 French_Basque + Orcadian + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.358038
    17 Danish + French_Basque + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.407141
    18 French_Basque + Southeast_English + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.419997
    19 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.422605
    20 French_Basque + Irish + North_Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.435698

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