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    Hello-
    My mom is of English, Irish, and German descent. She just got her Ancestry results back and it says she is 5% Iberian. I find this really cool and would like to know if where this came from, or if it is just a statistical fluke.
    Her Ancestry results are:
    54% Europe West
    13% Scandinavia
    13% Great Britain
    8% Ireland
    5% Iberian Peninsula
    4% Italy/Greece
    3% Europe East

    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15:
    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 35.24
    2 Atlantic 24.31
    3 Eastern_Euro 11.23
    4 Baltic 11.15
    5 West_Med 10.66
    6 East_Med 4.15
    7 West_Asian 1.67
    8 Oceanian 0.62
    9 Red_Sea 0.5
    10 South_Asian 0.35
    11 Siberian 0.1

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_German 5.06
    2 Southwest_English 5.63
    3 Danish 5.86
    4 North_Dutch 5.86
    5 Southeast_English 6.09
    6 South_Dutch 6.16
    7 Norwegian 6.58
    8 North_German 6.68
    9 West_Scottish 7.51
    10 Irish 7.58
    11 Swedish 7.83
    12 Orcadian 7.98
    13 West_Norwegian 8.12
    14 North_Swedish 9.43
    15 French 9.88
    16 East_German 10.47
    17 Southwest_Finnish 14.09
    18 Hungarian 14.51
    19 Austrian 14.96
    20 Finnish 16.99


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 74.8% Norwegian + 25.2% Portuguese @ 2.22
    2 73.9% Norwegian + 26.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.25
    3 76.5% Norwegian + 23.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.3
    4 88.1% Norwegian + 11.9% Sardinian @ 2.32
    5 76.6% Norwegian + 23.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.33
    6 73.6% Norwegian + 26.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.39
    7 79.4% Norwegian + 20.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.4
    8 78% Norwegian + 22% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.41
    9 78.7% Norwegian + 21.3% North_Italian @ 2.49
    10 61.1% Norwegian + 38.9% French @ 2.53
    11 78.5% Norwegian + 21.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.58
    12 77.2% Norwegian + 22.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.6
    13 75.9% Norwegian + 24.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.64
    14 79.2% Norwegian + 20.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.69
    15 78% Norwegian + 22% Southwest_French @ 2.85
    16 74.7% West_Norwegian + 25.3% North_Italian @ 2.87
    17 70.7% West_Norwegian + 29.3% Portuguese @ 2.98
    18 52.1% South_Dutch + 47.9% Norwegian @ 3.03
    19 69.8% West_Norwegian + 30.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.04
    20 75.8% West_Norwegian + 24.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.07


    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Norwegian +50% South_Dutch @ 3.430001

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Norwegian +25% Norwegian +25% Portuguese @ 2.409259

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Portuguese + West_Norwegian @ 2.358618
    2 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Norwegian @ 2.386659
    3 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Portuguese @ 2.409259
    4 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 2.410862
    5 North_Swedish + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.419895
    6 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Norwegian @ 2.475231
    7 North_Swedish + Portuguese + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.479259
    8 North_Swedish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.490508
    9 Danish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 2.525535
    10 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Portuguese @ 2.525784
    11 Danish + North_Swedish + Portuguese + West_Norwegian @ 2.528695
    12 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.529537
    13 North_Swedish + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.555996
    14 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.559922
    15 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.580992
    16 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.581398
    17 North_Swedish + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.583307
    18 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.588709
    19 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.600038
    20 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian @ 2.606319

    Her DNA.Land results:
    94% Northwestern European
    3.3% Sardinian
    2.7% North Slavic

    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpb View Post
    Hello-
    My mom is of English, Irish, and German descent. She just got her Ancestry results back and it says she is 5% Iberian. I find this really cool and would like to know if where this came from, or if it is just a statistical fluke.
    Her Ancestry results are:
    54% Europe West
    13% Scandinavia
    13% Great Britain
    8% Ireland
    5% Iberian Peninsula
    4% Italy/Greece
    3% Europe East

    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15:
    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 35.24
    2 Atlantic 24.31
    3 Eastern_Euro 11.23
    4 Baltic 11.15
    5 West_Med 10.66
    6 East_Med 4.15
    7 West_Asian 1.67
    8 Oceanian 0.62
    9 Red_Sea 0.5
    10 South_Asian 0.35
    11 Siberian 0.1

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_German 5.06
    2 Southwest_English 5.63
    3 Danish 5.86
    4 North_Dutch 5.86
    5 Southeast_English 6.09
    6 South_Dutch 6.16
    7 Norwegian 6.58
    8 North_German 6.68
    9 West_Scottish 7.51
    10 Irish 7.58
    11 Swedish 7.83
    12 Orcadian 7.98
    13 West_Norwegian 8.12
    14 North_Swedish 9.43
    15 French 9.88
    16 East_German 10.47
    17 Southwest_Finnish 14.09
    18 Hungarian 14.51
    19 Austrian 14.96
    20 Finnish 16.99


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 74.8% Norwegian + 25.2% Portuguese @ 2.22
    2 73.9% Norwegian + 26.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.25
    3 76.5% Norwegian + 23.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.3
    4 88.1% Norwegian + 11.9% Sardinian @ 2.32
    5 76.6% Norwegian + 23.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.33
    6 73.6% Norwegian + 26.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.39
    7 79.4% Norwegian + 20.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.4
    8 78% Norwegian + 22% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.41
    9 78.7% Norwegian + 21.3% North_Italian @ 2.49
    10 61.1% Norwegian + 38.9% French @ 2.53
    11 78.5% Norwegian + 21.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.58
    12 77.2% Norwegian + 22.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.6
    13 75.9% Norwegian + 24.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.64
    14 79.2% Norwegian + 20.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.69
    15 78% Norwegian + 22% Southwest_French @ 2.85
    16 74.7% West_Norwegian + 25.3% North_Italian @ 2.87
    17 70.7% West_Norwegian + 29.3% Portuguese @ 2.98
    18 52.1% South_Dutch + 47.9% Norwegian @ 3.03
    19 69.8% West_Norwegian + 30.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.04
    20 75.8% West_Norwegian + 24.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.07


    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Norwegian +50% South_Dutch @ 3.430001

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Norwegian +25% Norwegian +25% Portuguese @ 2.409259

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Portuguese + West_Norwegian @ 2.358618
    2 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Norwegian @ 2.386659
    3 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Portuguese @ 2.409259
    4 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 2.410862
    5 North_Swedish + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.419895
    6 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Norwegian @ 2.475231
    7 North_Swedish + Portuguese + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.479259
    8 North_Swedish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.490508
    9 Danish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 2.525535
    10 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Portuguese @ 2.525784
    11 Danish + North_Swedish + Portuguese + West_Norwegian @ 2.528695
    12 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.529537
    13 North_Swedish + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.555996
    14 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.559922
    15 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.580992
    16 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.581398
    17 North_Swedish + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.583307
    18 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.588709
    19 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.600038
    20 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia + West_Norwegian @ 2.606319

    Her DNA.Land results:
    94% Northwestern European
    3.3% Sardinian
    2.7% North Slavic

    What do you think?
    I'm no expert but one possibility is that the Iberian might be coming from her Irish... I've seen a few people from Spain (Galicia especially) that score pretty high in Ancestry's Irish category. So maybe it can go both ways to some extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    I'm no expert but one possibility is that the Iberian might be coming from her Irish... I've seen a few people from Spain (Galicia especially) that score pretty high in Ancestry's Irish category. So maybe it can go both ways to some extent.
    That's the least likely option. It is due to geographic proximity so populations closer to Spain/Portugal are more likely to have some overlapping. A southern French person would likely get very high Iberian. German people usually will get a reasonable amount of Iberian especially Southern Germans and this is most likely the reason for the 4% Italy/Greek as well. Generally the more distant a population is from the source the smaller percentage they will get.

    I'm 100% Irish and I have 0 Iberian which is not a great surprise as Irish people get very high percentages of Ireland. I get 91% Ireland.

    I'm always intrigued why people connect Iberian with Irish ancestry.

    Regarding the Ireland component in Ancestry it is mostly found in Ireland, Scotland and Wales and then the other areas are England and France.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    That's the least likely option. It is due to geographic proximity so populations closer to Spain/Portugal are more likely to have some overlapping. A southern French person would likely get very high Iberian. German people usually will get a reasonable amount of Iberian especially Southern Germans and this is most likely the reason for the 4% Italy/Greek as well. Generally the more distant a population is from the source the smaller percentage they will get.

    I'm 100% Irish and I have 0 Iberian which is not a great surprise as Irish people get very high percentages of Ireland. I get 91% Ireland.

    I'm always intrigued why people connect Iberian with Irish ancestry.

    Regarding the Ireland component in Ancestry it is mostly found in Ireland, Scotland and Wales and then the other areas are England and France.
    In my experience, I was told about the Irish/Iberian thing by a (Scottish) Gaelic speaking woman who was also a historian. She was of the opinion that the origins of the Irish and the Gaelic Scottish peoples were based in Northwestern Spain. I've seen this from other Scottish sources as well, one that comes to mind was in a book called "Crowdie and Cream, memoirs of a Hebridean Childhood" (Author Finlay MacDonald, from the Isle of Harris), he wrote about a girl who had black hair, and about how his people thought that this black hair came from their Iberian ancestors long ago. So perhaps the idea of an Iberian "connection" doesn't come from Ireland really, but more from the Scottish Isles? Perhaps it isn't correct but I am guilty of grouping your people and the Western Scottish together. Anyhow, I thought you might find this interesting. The reason that I suggested an Iberian/Irish connection was more based upon my reading of Spanish AncestryDNA users scoring high levels of Irish.
    I do appreciate you sharing that despite being a full blooded Irish person you got no Iberian result on your test, I think it is always good to challenge these ideas - Although my Gaelic Hebridean sources do seem to think there is a connection, it doesn't necessarily mean it is so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    In my experience, I was told about the Irish/Iberian thing by a (Scottish) Gaelic speaking woman who was also a historian. She was of the opinion that the origins of the Irish and the Gaelic Scottish peoples were based in Northwestern Spain. I've seen this from other Scottish sources as well, one that comes to mind was in a book called "Crowdie and Cream, memoirs of a Hebridean Childhood" (Author Finlay MacDonald, from the Isle of Harris), he wrote about a girl who had black hair, and about how his people thought that this black hair came from their Iberian ancestors long ago. So perhaps the idea of an Iberian "connection" doesn't come from Ireland really, but more from the Scottish Isles? Perhaps it isn't correct but I am guilty of grouping your people and the Western Scottish together. Anyhow, I thought you might find this interesting. The reason that I suggested an Iberian/Irish connection was more based upon my reading of Spanish AncestryDNA users scoring high levels of Irish.
    I do appreciate you sharing that despite being a full blooded Irish person you got no Iberian result on your test, I think it is always good to challenge these ideas - Although my Gaelic Hebridean sources do seem to think there is a connection, it doesn't necessarily mean it is so.
    Thank you. Yes it is a misconception. Even the Irish Book of Invasions has this. Unfortunately they are not based on fact. The Irish Book of Invasions was written by Irish Medieval monks as a history of the Irish people alot of Scottish origin myths are from Irish sources. It is basically an origin myth. The Irish Book of Invasions also states the Irish were partly Egyptian from Queen Scota (as well as Scythian) but I don't see many people quoting that. Looking at genetics there is no obvious link. Thanks for sharing but I was just curious why people make this connection. It most likely has alot to do with these origin myths also the Spanish Armada stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    Thank you. Yes it is a misconception. Even the Irish Book of Invasions has this. Unfortunately they are not based on fact. The Irish Book of Invasions was written by Irish Medieval monks as a history of the Irish people alot of Scottish origin myths are from Irish sources. It is basically an origin myth. The Irish Book of Invasions also states the Irish were partly Egyptian from Queen Scota (as well as Scythian) but I don't see many people quoting that. Looking at genetics there is no obvious link. Thanks for sharing but I was just curious why people make this connection. It most likely has alot to do with these origin myths also the Spanish Armada stories.
    It is all very interesting stuff, and I'm enjoying talking about it with you. The Spanish Armada story makes me think of something else, but I don't have time to dig it up now. I'm mostly writing this reply so that I'll remember to do that later!

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    Yeah those Armada stories, and other stories, always seem to pop up, I got dark brown hair and brown eyes, and typical "Black Irish" looks lets say, as they were used to be called, it was one of the reasons why I wanted to do a DNA test actually, because I looked a bit different, some people used to say you "must have something in you", but Sadly I cannot find anything in paper trail or DNA, or DNA matches to link anything why this look prevails at least in me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Yeah those Armada stories, and other stories, always seem to pop up, I got dark brown hair and brown eyes, and typical "Black Irish" looks lets say, as they were used to be called, it was one of the reasons why I wanted to do a DNA test actually, because I looked a bit different, some people used to say you "must have something in you", but Sadly I cannot find anything in paper trail or DNA, or DNA matches to link anything why this look prevails at least in me.
    Some people have odd ideas. We've all heard that the red hair came from the Vikings. Not sure where that idea came from either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Yeah those Armada stories, and other stories, always seem to pop up, I got dark brown hair and brown eyes, and typical "Black Irish" looks lets say, as they were used to be called, it was one of the reasons why I wanted to do a DNA test actually, because I looked a bit different, some people used to say you "must have something in you", but Sadly I cannot find anything in paper trail or DNA, or DNA matches to link anything why this look prevails at least in me.
    I've met a ton of people from Ireland and Britain who are very dark, with brown eyes. I always figured it was a common look in that part of the world.. what's really funny about it is that some of them have said something about them thinking it's strange they're so dark. Two of my friends (a brother and sister) were primarily of Welsh ethnicity, and we would often tease them (This was high school) about looking "Mexican". One year the older one just said "Screw it" and put on a poncho and a sombrero for Halloween.

    Regarding Armada stories, the family tree my aunt made up used to have a bunch of Spanish people in one of the British lines a good while back, but it seems this has been removed. I was going to argue that there seemed to be some trace of some kind of Spanish immigration into Britain but I've lost any sort of evidence I had for such an argument. I've read a good number of AncestryDNA test takers from France score Iberian, I wonder if the OP has any French?... It could be the 5% Iberian just happens to fit better in the ethnic prediction than any of the other references...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    Some people have odd ideas. We've all heard that the red hair came from the Vikings. Not sure where that idea came from either.
    A few vikings noted in sagas are named things like "The Red". For example, Erik the Red supposedly had red hair and a red beard. I think red hair is just a European thing in general.. I'd say it's a northern European thing but I've met some people from Spain who were very ginger. A quick google search came up with an article arguing that Scandinavians brought red hair to Scotland, so it might be stuff like that making people think red hair comes from Vikings. What I find really interesting is that you, someone from Ireland, has heard that red hair came from Vikings. As a North American (Canadian) person, the common misconception over here seems to be that red hair is an Irish thing. I wonder where they say it comes from in Scandinavian countries?

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