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    Question FGC35995: Interesting Group

    Take a look at the small group of men who have tested FGC35995+ under DF13 thus far in category x19 in the R L21 and Subclades Project: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

    1. Loncharich kit 142664 - Croatia

    2. Wolff kit E14775 - France

    3. Hammar (ancestral surname "Nilsson") kit 374008 - Sweden

    4. Rhys kit 383456 - Wales

    Some will see that last one, Rhys, and think, "Aha, British Isles, there we go!", but Rhys, although tested to 37 markers, has absolutely no matches beyond 12 markers. There we go.

    None of these guys is on the FTDNA y-dna match radar of any of the rest of them either. In other words, they don't match each other in terms of STRs.

    1. Loncharich, although tested to 67 markers, has no matches better than 33/37, except for an exact one with someone with his surname.

    2. Wolff, tested to 111 markers, has NO matches beyond 12 markers, and even the best of his 12-marker "matches" is 11/12.

    3. Hammar, tested to 37 markers, has no matches better than 24/25.

    4. Rhys I mentioned already: tested to 37 markers, but no matches past 12 markers.

    So, this is an interesting little group.
    Last edited by rms2; 08-17-2016 at 07:29 PM.
     


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    Here's the link to the clade on The Big Tree and on YFull.

    Rhys shares an additional two SNPs with a 1kG sample from Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swid View Post
    Here's the link to the clade on The Big Tree and on YFull.

    Rhys shares an additional two SNPs with a 1kG sample from Mexico.
    Thanks!

    It would be interesting to know more about that 1,000 Genomes sample. That makes FGC35995 an even more far flung group.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    I just emailed Loncharich and Hammar urging them to submit their Big Y data to Alex Williamson for comparison and analysis. I sent them the link to his instructions page. Hopefully, they'll do it.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    AFAIK the 1KG samples are unfortunately anonymous.

    From his surname, I would assume Wolff is originally of German origin, perhaps an Alsatian? If so, this is very reminiscent of the sort of distribution found within the DF99 subclade.

    Ie's a real head scratcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    AFAIK the 1KG samples are unfortunately anonymous.

    From his surname, I would assume Wolff is originally of German origin, perhaps an Alsatian? If so, this is very reminiscent of the sort of distribution found within the DF99 subclade.

    Ie's a real head scratcher.
    In fact, Wolff himself is a German citizen. He doesn't list a place of birth for his mdka, but I think you're probably right.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Hopefully they all decide to get the NGS done. It's like my King surname singleton below DF13 who so far (that I've seen) doesn't have a reliable SNP match since DF13 after testing with FGC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I just emailed Loncharich and Hammar urging them to submit their Big Y data to Alex Williamson for comparison and analysis. I sent them the link to his instructions page. Hopefully, they'll do it.
    Hammar is now on the Big Tree; while Alex hasn't done his full analysis yet, currently he's listed in an outgroup with Wolff.

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    Hello,

    I´m French citizen and Alsace too ! My origines are certainly from Austria in Middle-Age not Germany,Alsace was part of Habsburg Empire.Perhaps as iberian ashkenaz jews, Spain were by the empire of Charles Quint,they migred in Austria than later in Alsace and while no good traited by the Austrians helped the french troops from Louis 14 becoming free and land as recompense...My families Wolff come from Ernolsheim-Bruche and Benfeld around Strasbourg were the alsatian jews population (sefarades,ashkenazes and karaites) lived...Or can be from the Kabars jews who migrated west with Attila or later from the Khazars.The 2 groups come from the region of the Krim later appeled Khazaria was first inhabited by the Kimmerians for my celtic results who give his name to the Krim can be an other solution...so i don´t know i wait for ancient dna results with Y14240/FGC35995 and Y14049/FGC35996...
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    There is a Mr Fehily, who is FGC35995, shows up in matches with several Whelan men, as well as men from the Rich family. A few McCarthys are also predicted to be FGC35995.
    Also a Mr Morgan (N116097) is FGC35995+
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