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    R- M173 from yemen possible R1a*

    hello .. I am from Yemen south of Arabian peninsula
    my result was R-M173

    nevegen predictor at 67 marker gives me probability of R1b 85% and R1a 15%
    111 marker gives 36% as R1b

    i noticed that familytreedna projects i grouped under M420>YP4141>YP5018 Ax1
    as my close match is R1a M420

    my close matches is from turkey 4 genetic distance at 67 marker
    then also from turkey 2 G.D t 25 marker

    near match results from Iraq and Qater

    my result is still in red means non confirmed because i did not do any SNP tests yet

    my question is if all my matches is classified as R1a .. so i am the same .. or there is a possibility that i am R1b

    is it possible that a matches could be in two different haplogroups ?

    thank you
    M11251

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazqamah View Post
    i noticed that familytreedna projects i grouped under M420>YP4141>YP5018 Ax1
    Kit M8363 has Y-STRs (markers) fairly similar to yours. He took the Big Y test, and ended up in R-YP5018, a subclade of R-YP4141, which is in turn a subclade of R1a.

    If you wish, you can order an individual SNP test for YP4141 for $39, to verify your classification. But ideally, you would order the Big Y (perhaps the next time a discount or coupon is available) and get yourself onto YFull's haplotree. Because the R-YP4141 branch is so sparse, your entry will probably force the definition of a new subclade.

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    i better wait for the big Y discount , because either way positive or negative i will be curious to know more
    is it possible to have different haplogroup than my match
    why haplogroup predictor confuses me sometime Q r1b, r1a ^_^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazqamah View Post
    i better wait for the big Y discount , because either way positive or negative i will be curious to know more
    Excellent attitude! Yes, order the Big Y the next time a discount or coupon is available (certainly during the American holiday season of November-December, if not earlier).
    Quote Originally Posted by Bazqamah View Post
    is it possible to have different haplogroup than my match
    It is possible that you do not belong to R-YP5018. But in my opinion, you definitely belong to the parent R-YP4141, which separated from the rest of R1a over 18,000 years ago!
    Quote Originally Posted by Bazqamah View Post
    why haplogroup predictor confuses me sometime Q r1b, r1a ^_^
    Your subclade is so rare that many predictors have not taken it into account at all.

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    Ayyubid Dynasty Zand Dynasty Ararat Republic Mahabad Republic Kurdistan Rojavaya Kurdistane
    The Political Agency of Kurds as an Ethnic Group in Late Medieval South Arabia

    Kurds began to arrive to South Arabia as soldiers for the Ayyubid conquest at the end of the sixth/twelfth century, and continued in this military role for the Rasulid dynasty for the next few centuries. Over the course of this period, references to Kurds in chronicles indicate their increasing autonomy as independent mercenaries who rebelled against the Rasulids and aligned with the northern Zaydis. At the same time, they are also shown to have established a prominent community in the central highlands, which eventually bifurcated, merged with the family of the Zaydi Imam through marriage, and then seemingly disappeared from chronicles altogether. This article examines more closely the role of ethnicity in the promotion and maintenance of the Kurds as an influential group in the late medieval political landscape of South Arabia alongside other ethnic groups such as Arabs and Turks, as well as why the apparent deterioration of the Kurds’ ethnic cohesion appears to have led to the end of reports about them in the Yemeni historical record at the end of the eighth/fourteenth century.
    http://hw.oeaw.ac.at/0xc1aa500e_0x00340283.pdf
    Last edited by MfA; 08-24-2016 at 08:09 AM.
    E-M84>FGC18389>FGC18413>FGC18401>FGC18422>Y99171 tMRCA 2550ybp

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    Quote Originally Posted by MfA View Post
    The Political Agency of Kurds as an Ethnic Group in Late Medieval South Arabia

    http://hw.oeaw.ac.at/0xc1aa500e_0x00340283.pdf
    Will have a read.
    Bytw, which site did you obtain these maps from http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...253#post155253

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian View Post
    Will have a read.
    Bytw, which site did you obtain these maps from http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...253#post155253
    searched one in google image search, the rest did pop up.
    E-M84>FGC18389>FGC18413>FGC18401>FGC18422>Y99171 tMRCA 2550ybp

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    Quote Originally Posted by MfA View Post
    The Political Agency of Kurds as an Ethnic Group in Late Medieval South Arabia



    http://hw.oeaw.ac.at/0xc1aa500e_0x00340283.pdf
    thank you for the book , i will read it carefully and discuss it later on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazqamah View Post
    hello .. I am from Yemen south of Arabian peninsula
    my result was R-M173

    nevegen predictor at 67 marker gives me probability of R1b 85% and R1a 15%
    111 marker gives 36% as R1b

    i noticed that familytreedna projects i grouped under M420>YP4141>YP5018 Ax1
    as my close match is R1a M420

    my close matches is from turkey 4 genetic distance at 67 marker
    then also from turkey 2 G.D t 25 marker

    near match results from Iraq and Qater

    my result is still in red means non confirmed because i did not do any SNP tests yet

    my question is if all my matches is classified as R1a .. so i am the same .. or there is a possibility that i am R1b

    is it possible that a matches could be in two different haplogroups ?

    thank you
    M11251
    Hello, I am an Arab from the Bani Shayban (from central Arabia) in Turkey and also belong to R1b. Maybe this could interest you: Rodriguez-Flores et al. (2016) Indigenous Arabs are descendants of the earliest split from ancient Eurasian populations
    http://genome.cshlp.org/content/earl.../gr.191478.115

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    Quote Originally Posted by MfA View Post
    The Political Agency of Kurds as an Ethnic Group in Late Medieval South Arabia



    http://hw.oeaw.ac.at/0xc1aa500e_0x00340283.pdf
    Could you please stop making every Arab who gets R1b as Result to a Kurd? R1b is older than the Arab and Kurdish people. By the way the most common haplogroup of the Kurds is J2. And I also know why you declare every R1b Arab as a Kurd: You connect R1b as typical Indo-European wich is totally wrong because it is too old to be Indo-european!

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