Page 2 of 9 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 87

Thread: Are the Bretons closer to Welsh and Cornish people or to other French people?

  1. #11
    Junior Member
    Posts
    3
    Sex

    My mother is from Lower Brittany and according to Davidski, she resembles Welsh and Irish a lot genetically.

  2. #12
    Banned
    Posts
    349
    Sex
    Location
    USA
    Ethnicity
    Mostly West European
    Nationality
    American
    mtDNA (M)
    H1J2A
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-U106 (Father)

    United States of America United Kingdom England Scotland Germany Belgium
    Quote Originally Posted by quatre-quarts View Post
    My mother is from Lower Brittany and according to Davidski, she resembles Welsh and Irish a lot genetically.
    Would you mind sharing if your Davidski reference is in regard to his Gedmatch calculators or his former Ancestry Detective Service, e.g. a personal genomic analysis from you raw data? Also, does your mother get a British population such as SW or SE English, Cornwall or Welsh in top pops at the Eurogenes K13 or K15? Just curious how the admixture of a Lower Brittany looks as I frequently test southern British / S. Dutch on Gedmatch calculators and have heritage in a region of USA that is reported to have Welsh settlers.

  3. #13
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    11,628
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-FGC36981

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland
    I used to run the Bretagne DNA Project before turning it over to the current admin. I can tell you that in terms of y-dna, Bretons do not have any noticeable tendency to match any British. Last I checked, most of those in the Bretagne Project and the R L21 and Subclades Project are short of matches of any kind.
     


    Hidden Content


    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36981 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982 >FGC36981)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

  4. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to rms2 For This Useful Post:

     AnnieD (10-10-2016),  Tolan (10-10-2016)

  5. #14
    Junior Member
    Posts
    3
    Sex

    From his former Ancestry Detective Service (I ordered a personal analysis of my raw data and also joined hers).

    Eurogenes K13

    Top 10

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southwest_English 4.46
    2 Southeast_English 4.86
    3 Orcadian 5.21
    4 Irish 5.75
    5 West_Scottish 6.26
    6 North_Dutch 6.61
    7 South_Dutch 6.76
    8 Danish 6.95
    9 North_German 7.65
    10 Norwegian 8.3

    Eurogenes K15

    Top 10

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southwest_English 3.27
    2 Southeast_English 4.99
    3 South_Dutch 5.91
    4 Irish 6.41
    5 North_Dutch 6.67
    6 West_Scottish 6.71
    7 Danish 6.84
    8 North_German 7.2
    9 Orcadian 7.41
    10 West_German 8.19

  6. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to quatre-quarts For This Useful Post:

     AnnieD (10-10-2016),  Tolan (10-10-2016)

  7. #15
    Banned
    Posts
    594
    Sex
    Location
    New York City
    Ethnicity
    Irish
    Nationality
    American
    mtDNA (M)
    H17
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-FGC41930

    Ireland United States of America
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Nordic View Post
    It's interesting how Ireland is closer to the Bretons than the UK sample is.
    The UK sample would, of course, include Anglo-Saxons unlike the Irish and Breton samples. What I find amazing is how little gene flow there has been between the Bretons and people living in other parts of France.

  8. #16
    Banned
    Posts
    594
    Sex
    Location
    New York City
    Ethnicity
    Irish
    Nationality
    American
    mtDNA (M)
    H17
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-FGC41930

    Ireland United States of America
    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes50 View Post
    And the Normands are closer to the UK sample
    Maybe the Norman invaders of England had a bigger genetic impact than many people realize?

  9. #17
    Banned
    Posts
    594
    Sex
    Location
    New York City
    Ethnicity
    Irish
    Nationality
    American
    mtDNA (M)
    H17
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-FGC41930

    Ireland United States of America
    Quote Originally Posted by avalon View Post
    Probably because the UK sample didn't include any Welsh samples.
    Which would of course mean that there were significant genetic differences between the English and the Welsh.

  10. #18
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    2,049
    Sex
    Location
    Brittany
    Ethnicity
    NW European
    Y-DNA (P)
    I-L813 >Y36690

    Normandie Sweden France Bretagne
    Quote Originally Posted by kevinduffy View Post
    Maybe the Norman invaders of England had a bigger genetic impact than many people realize?
    Our similarities are much older than the conquest of William
    An important episode, but one among many

    From the first inhabitants to the Hundred Years War.
    Without speaking of the Britons, Saxons, Scandinavians
    It is a continual exchange between the two shores
    My results from David Wesolowski's Ancestry Detective Service:

    West British (Britonic?) 42.3%
    Continental Northern and Eastern European 36.6%
    Central French 21.1%

  11. #19
    Registered Users
    Posts
    934
    Nationality
    British

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Nordic View Post
    I would suspect so as well

    It would be interesting to see if Cornish or Welsh people are closer to Bretons. I know the Breton language is the closest to Cornish but i have heard from some that the Cornish can have assimilated more Germanic peoples than they would like to admit
    Yes, as languages Breton is most similar to Cornish but the important point is that Cornish went extinct by 1800 I believe and going by the PCA charts from the PoBI, the modern Cornish appear to have a lot of English admixture.

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to avalon For This Useful Post:

     AnnieD (10-11-2016)

  13. #20
    Registered Users
    Posts
    934
    Nationality
    British

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinduffy View Post
    Which would of course mean that there were significant genetic differences between the English and the Welsh.
    Within a British Isles context, yes the Welsh (particularly North Welsh) do show a noticeable level of genetic separation from the English. Of all the UK clusters, only Orkney appears to be more separated than the North Welsh.

    The other thing the PoBI project showed was that the Welsh had the highest levels of the NW France component seen here as FRA14 so I think there is a good case for genetic affinity between modern Welsh and modern Bretons, assuming that researchers sample the right people in Wales.

    ContinentalSources.jpg

    POBI.jpg

  14. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to avalon For This Useful Post:

     AnnieD (10-11-2016),  Robert1 (08-06-2019),  sgdavies@hotmail.com (10-10-2016)

Page 2 of 9 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Who were the Sea People?
    By Hando in forum General
    Replies: 31
    Last Post: 07-19-2016, 09:55 PM
  2. Are people still getting new matches?
    By Luis in forum AncestryDNA
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 07-01-2016, 11:44 AM
  3. Are Welsh people a restricted gene pool, autosomally?
    By AJL in forum Autosomal (auDNA)
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 04-13-2016, 02:40 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •