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    He has ordered Geno 2.0

    He is in Steve's latest tracker update too now, as am I.

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwo1...Q3c/edit?pli=1


    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    Gerard, please consider testing for Z54 and CTS188 if you have not done so already.

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    Good news. As part of the 1000 Genomes Phase III data, I found a third Z36+ Z54- Z143- sample. When comparing the samples, two of them share no less than 47 new SNPs!!! Now the downside. The two samples are from Colombia, and while they are not related and have thousands of Y-SNPs where they don't match, this might be a regional cluster. Where that cluster originated (Spain?) is anyone's guess. On a positive note, any one of these SNPs might be widely distributed in other Z36 folks.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    OK Rich, Your last post pushed me to decide to try the full Y genome test you referenced earlier. Could you Please email me some info about this? It's quite a big investment for me and I want to be sure I'm ordering the right test from the right company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmental View Post
    OK Rich, Your last post pushed me to decide to try the full Y genome test you referenced earlier. Could you Please email me some info about this? It's quite a big investment for me and I want to be sure I'm ordering the right test from the right company.
    OK, I sent you an email with some details. Let me know what you decide and I'll add you to the tracker.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    You can add me to the tracker, Rich. I just placed my order.

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    Hi all, I ordered geno 2.0 and send my samples back 2 weeks ago. I just checked and they've already received it back. According to the schedule I have to wait for another 6-8 weeks before they report my results. Looking forward to it.

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    Mine took less than a month! Hope yours is as quick!
    Quote Originally Posted by Gerard View Post
    Hi all, I ordered geno 2.0 and send my samples back 2 weeks ago. I just checked and they've already received it back. According to the schedule I have to wait for another 6-8 weeks before they report my results. Looking forward to it.

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    Thanks for the Full Y SNP overview Jim!

    I am intrigued by the fact that we both have 55-60 separate personal SNPs, below Z36, representing about 100 yrs each. Indeed, then the date of birth of Z36 would be about 3500-4000 BC, instead of 2000 BC. Our common ancestor may be from the Swiss Pfyn region? See also Pfyn culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfyn_culture). So we may call Mr Z36, the man from Pfyn?
    Last edited by Belgae; 11-25-2013 at 06:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgae View Post
    Thanks for the Full Y SNP overview Jim!

    I am intrigued by the fact that we both have 55-60 separate personal SNPs, below Z36, representing about 100 yrs each. Indeed, then the date of birth of Z36 would be about 3500-4000 BC, instead of 2000 BC. Our common ancestor may be from the Swiss Pfyn region? See also Pfyn culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfyn_culture). So we may call Mr Z36, the man from Pfyn?

    Hi Kees

    I, too, am surprised by the amount of SNPs found. I wasn't quite expecting that many. There will probably be a lot of study done with aging the different haplogroups by counting SNPs as more results come in, but it seems more likely that the age will move back in time than forward.

    According to Dr Hammer at the recent FTDNA Conference, R1b came to Europe later than previously thought (very late neolithic/ post neolithic). It's all so confusing at this point.

    I suggest giving the name OPA to Mr. Z36. For the Low Countries that could mean "grandfather" and for the English and Americans it could mean "Our Paternal Ancestor."

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    I recently read that SNPs occur every 1-2 generations. I cannot remember where I read it though

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgae View Post
    Thanks for the Full Y SNP overview Jim!

    I am intrigued by the fact that we both have 55-60 separate personal SNPs, below Z36, representing about 100 yrs each. Indeed, then the date of birth of Z36 would be about 3500-4000 BC, instead of 2000 BC. Our common ancestor may be from the Swiss Pfyn region? See also Pfyn culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfyn_culture). So we may call Mr Z36, the man from Pfyn?

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