Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11

Thread: L817 in the Arabian Peninsula

  1. #1
    Junior Member
    Posts
    5
    Sex

    L817 in the Arabian Peninsula

    Hello,

    I'm from Najd which is the central region of Arabia. My family were farmers not bedouins and they settled there for at least 2 centuries before that i don't really know. According to my grandfather we are descendants from Banu Tamim, it was a major Adnani tribe in Najd but most of them moved to Iraq a centuries ago. My Haplogroup is J-S4924 and i'm also L817+, but from what i read on the internet not much Arabs are L817+. I'm not an expert in this field and i would be really glad to hear from you guys.

  2. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Omar For This Useful Post:

     Abd.H (10-16-2016),  Agamemnon (09-26-2016),  Shamash (10-18-2016)

  3. #2
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,176
    Sex
    Location
    Brazil
    Ethnicity
    Rio de Janeiro Colonial
    Nationality
    Brazilian
    Y-DNA (P)
    J1a1 FGC6064+ M365+
    mtDNA (M)
    H1ao1

    Suebi Kingdom Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ Brazilian Empire Brazil
    Hello, what about L818 and L816 ? Have you tested ?
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
    mtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
    North_Swedish + PT + PT + PT @ 3.96 EUtest 4

  4. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to RCO For This Useful Post:

     Omar (10-18-2016),  Power77 (10-21-2016)

  5. #3
    Junior Member
    Posts
    5
    Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    Hello, what about L818 and L816 ? Have you tested ?
    i made an order and i'm waiting to see the result.. the two were shown on the recommended SNPs. but i ordered L816 only just to save some money
    , if i'm not mistaken if i was L816+ then i'm L818+.. if it shows that i'm L816- then i would have to test for L818.
    Last edited by Omar; 09-11-2016 at 03:56 AM.

  6. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Omar For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (09-26-2016),  RCO (09-11-2016)

  7. #4
    Junior Member
    Posts
    5
    Sex

    Apparently i'm L816-, the result for L818 didn't show yet..

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to Omar For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (09-26-2016)

  9. #5
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    4,432
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Jewish & British
    Y-DNA (P)
    J1-Z18271
    mtDNA (M)
    J1c5
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-U152
    mtDNA (P)
    U7a5

    Israel Israel Jerusalem United Kingdom England Scotland Isle of Man
    Quote Originally Posted by Omar View Post
    Apparently i'm L816-, the result for L818 didn't show yet..
    That's to be expected, L816 looks uniquely Jewish and its TMRCA fits within the time frame of the Ashkenazi bottleneck.
    מכורותיך ומולדותיך מארץ הכנעני אביך האמורי ואמך חתית
    יחזקאל פרק טז ג-


    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

  10. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Agamemnon For This Useful Post:

     A Norfolk L-M20 (10-16-2016),  Awale (09-26-2016),  DMXX (10-16-2016),  Omar (10-18-2016),  Power77 (10-21-2016)

  11. #6
    Junior Member
    Posts
    5
    Sex

    Finally my result came out.. i'm L818- too, so what does that tell me about my ancestry,heritage, and my origin? i'm kind of disappointed i thought that genetics could tell me a lot about my family history and my ancestors ethnicity but apparently it did not.. i don't know if that is due to the lack of data! or because scientists do not care much about these kind of subject!

  12. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Omar For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (10-16-2016),  raspberry (12-12-2016)

  13. #7
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,176
    Sex
    Location
    Brazil
    Ethnicity
    Rio de Janeiro Colonial
    Nationality
    Brazilian
    Y-DNA (P)
    J1a1 FGC6064+ M365+
    mtDNA (M)
    H1ao1

    Suebi Kingdom Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ Brazilian Empire Brazil
    The structure of your matches do reveal your ethnic origins in the last centuries and millennia. You should have at least FTDNA 67 markers, observe your STR cluster and you need Big Y or FGC test, so you can see where are your matches. You can more or less find the frequency of your haplotype or genetic cluster in your original population. We can find our origins in the last 1000/2000 years but of course 10000/15000 years is far more complex and we still need ancient DNA.
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
    mtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
    North_Swedish + PT + PT + PT @ 3.96 EUtest 4

  14. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to RCO For This Useful Post:

     Omar (10-18-2016),  Power77 (10-21-2016)

  15. #8
    Registered Users
    Posts
    269
    Sex
    Y-DNA (P)
    J-FGC3712
    mtDNA (M)
    HV1a'b'c
    Y-DNA (M)
    R-BY33575
    mtDNA (P)
    T1b

    Austria Italy
    Hi Omar,

    L817 is an unstable SNP.

    I'm also L817+ but belong to a completely different branch within J1. These are my tested SNPs according to FTDNA: FGC3708+, L1253-, L1279-, L147+, L174-, L222-, L572+, L585-, L615-, L616-, L620+, L65-, L817+, L829-, L858+, L859-, L897-, L92-, L93-, M367-, M368-, M369-, P58+, YSC0000076-, Z640-, Z641-, Z642-, Z643+, Z644-

    The Full Genomes sequence of my y-chromosome also revealed that I'm L817+. So it appears in two different sections in the J1 tree!

    That's the reason why it is labelled as UNSTABLE in Victar Mas' J1 tree:

    http://genogenea.com/J-M267/tree

    I fear you need to order the J1 SNP Pack or BigY in order to find your exact place within the J1 tree!

    Best,

    Marco
    Last edited by Shamash; 10-17-2016 at 07:02 PM.

  16. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Shamash For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (10-21-2016),  King (10-18-2016),  MfA (10-17-2016),  Omar (10-18-2016),  Power77 (10-21-2016)

  17. #9
    Registered Users
    Posts
    269
    Sex
    Y-DNA (P)
    J-FGC3712
    mtDNA (M)
    HV1a'b'c
    Y-DNA (M)
    R-BY33575
    mtDNA (P)
    T1b

    Austria Italy
    Omar, from your Geno results I see that you are like myself FGC3718_Y6369+!!! Your FTDNA haplogroup prediction (J-S4924) is simply wrong.

    This is a distribution map of our subclade defined by the SNPs FGC3723/FGC3716/FGC3708/FGC3718:

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...3oGBQ&hl=en_US

    When I tested L817+ we discussed it here on this forum and we didn't exclude that L817 could define a private mutation of my own subclade and that it happened independently twice within J1 because it hasn't appeared somewhere else in the J1 tree.

    It would so interesting if you tested BigY.

    We could be related more closely than we now know.

    I still do not know how my lineage ended up in Austria.
    Last edited by Shamash; 10-18-2016 at 07:38 PM.

  18. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Shamash For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (10-21-2016),  King (10-18-2016),  Omar (10-20-2016),  Power77 (10-21-2016)

  19. #10
    Registered Users
    Posts
    269
    Sex
    Y-DNA (P)
    J-FGC3712
    mtDNA (M)
    HV1a'b'c
    Y-DNA (M)
    R-BY33575
    mtDNA (P)
    T1b

    Austria Italy
    This is our part of the J1 tree:

    Attachment 12237

    I highlighted my sample number E13058.
    Last edited by Shamash; 10-18-2016 at 08:01 PM.

  20. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Shamash For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (10-21-2016),  Omar (10-20-2016),  Power77 (10-21-2016)

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 5
    Last Post: 09-03-2020, 03:16 PM
  2. E-M84 In Arabian Peninsula
    By SARGON-f15 in forum E1b-M215
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 01-26-2020, 05:56 PM
  3. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-29-2018, 11:30 AM
  4. Caucasian component in Arabian peninsula
    By Missouri1455 in forum Western
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 05-03-2018, 09:09 AM
  5. G2a-P15 in Arabian peninsula
    By Mustache in forum G2a-P15
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 07-21-2016, 06:07 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •