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    Les Gaulois, nos ancêtres ?

    Avec les petits miracles du Père Sarko, on discute des origines des Français...

    Et toutes ces andouilles qui, rien que par esprit de contradiction, défendent une ascendance germanique. A se demander pourquoi le français est une langue latine.
    V2 K15 (Average France) => North Sea : 27.46 (28.25) - Atlantic : 21.26 (26.05) - West Med : 19.05 (15.53) - Baltic : 9.17 (8.22) - Eastern Euro : 8.80 (6.32) - West Asian : 6.31 (4.66) - East Med : 4.85 (6.72) - Red Sea : 2.08 (2.83) - Amerindian : 1.02 (0.20)

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    En plus résumer l'idée qu'on doit privilégier l'histoire de la France (/Europe) à l'Ecole à "on doit arrêter d'enseigner le reste" est ridicule.

    Mais quand on voit les impasses dans le programme (genre Saint Louis ou Henri IV) pour faire de la place à l'histoire de l'Afrique Subsaharienne, il y a de quoi être passablement énervé.

    En plus, c'est absurde: il n'y a quasiment rien à dire, car on sait trés peu de choses sur l'Afrique Subsaharienne, qui ne connaissait pas l'écriture jusqu'il y a peu, et donc n'est sortie de la Préhistoird quasiment avec la Colonisation.

    Mais bon, faut que les gosses puissent s'identifier (de manière positive, donc on privilégiera l'Empire du Grand Zimbabwe, et on ne parlera pas des cannibales).

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    Et toutes ces andouilles qui, rien que par esprit de contradiction, défendent une ascendance germanique.
    Tu penses à qui?
    A se demander pourquoi le français est une langue latine.
    Toutes ces andouilles qui pensent que, comme le Hongrois est une langue finno-ougrienne, les Hongrois descendent des Huns...
    En North alom, de North venom
    En North fum naiz, en North manom

    (Roman de Rou, Wace, 1160-1170)

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    Bien que Normand, j'ai toujours eu une préférence pour mon ascendance Celte et je n'ai pas honte de le dire et quand je vois mes résultats souvent proches de ceux des bretons, je parle des résultats autosomaux, dans mon cas je ne pense pas me tromper.

    Maintenant penses tu, lorsque tu vois des résultats comme ceux de la mère d'Angle que l'on puisse traiter d'andouilles ceux qui se sentent plus germains

    1 87.5% Southeast_English + 12.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.75

    Quand tu sais que les gens du Kent sont déjà au minimum à 1/3 voire plus D'origine germanique , auquel tu rajoutes 12,5% de Finnois ( du Sud = Suèdois pour un grand nombre) ça nous vient certainement pas de notre ascendance armoricaine.
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    Recent Ancestry, full Normand. Known Genealogy 7/8 of the Cotentin peninsula 1/8 region of Coutances. Unfortunately, there are many missing branches on the maternal side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    Toutes ces andouilles qui pensent que, comme le Hongrois est une langue finno-ougrienne, les Hongrois descendent des Huns...
    Une partie en descend.
    V2 K15 (Average France) => North Sea : 27.46 (28.25) - Atlantic : 21.26 (26.05) - West Med : 19.05 (15.53) - Baltic : 9.17 (8.22) - Eastern Euro : 8.80 (6.32) - West Asian : 6.31 (4.66) - East Med : 4.85 (6.72) - Red Sea : 2.08 (2.83) - Amerindian : 1.02 (0.20)

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    J'ai cette tendance a m'identifier à une ascendance gauloise/celte, mais ça doit être un règlement de compte oedipien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lyonnist View Post
    Une partie en descend.
    B. Csányi, E. Bogácsi-Szabó, Gy. Tömöry, Á. Czibula, K. Priskin, A. Csősz, B. Mende, P. Langó, K. Csete, A. Zsolnai, E. K. Conant, C. S. Downes, and I. Raskó. "Y-Chromosome Analysis of Ancient Hungarian and Two Modern Hungarian-Speaking Populations from the Carpathian Basin." Annals of Human Genetics 72:4 (July 2008)
     
    "Our data suggest that the Tat C allele, which is widespread in Uralic-speaking populations, was substantially present in the ancient Magyar population when they crossed the Carpathians and settled in the Carpathian Basin. Our findings provide further evidence for its virtual absence in recent Hungarian-speaking populations, with the exception of a single male in the Szekler group. This contrast, despite the relative linguistic stability, may be attributed to a combination of the Magyars being a dominant elite, whose language was accepted by the more numerous pre-existing populations (mostly Slavs and Avars), and of the effects of a number of substantial post-Magyar immigrations and incursions. The Y-chromosomal patterns of the modern Hungarians and Szeklers can for the most part be adequately explained within the European paternal genetic landscape. As with other Europeans, the Y chromosomes are characterized by early lineages derived from Paleolithic inhabitants, and by a minor impact of Neolithic and post-Neolithic migratory episodes. Consistent with previous studies, Hungarian-speaking populations are genetically closely related to their geographic neighbours. The Hungarian and Szekler groups cluster together with some other central Europeans (e.g. Czechs and Slovaks), but mainly with Balkan populations. There are two exceptions. Haplogroup P*(xM173) is almost absent in continental Europe. The presence of this haplogroup in the Szeklers may indicate a connection with Central Asian populations. Also, there is an elevated haplogroup J frequency. This may reflect Anatolian and southern Balkan contributions to the gene pools of Hungarians and Szeklers, but historical data and the comparative analyses of maternal lineages of ancient Hungarian population suggest that the earlier migrations of the Magyars may also have contributed to the presence of this lineage in the Carpathian Basin."


    Bon, je n'en dirai pas plus car ce n'est pas ton coeur de cible. Simplement pour dire qu'on ne répond pas à une question de génétique avec des rapprochements linguistiques.
    En North alom, de North venom
    En North fum naiz, en North manom

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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    B. Csányi, E. Bogácsi-Szabó, Gy. Tömöry, Á. Czibula, K. Priskin, A. Csősz, B. Mende, P. Langó, K. Csete, A. Zsolnai, E. K. Conant, C. S. Downes, and I. Raskó. "Y-Chromosome Analysis of Ancient Hungarian and Two Modern Hungarian-Speaking Populations from the Carpathian Basin." Annals of Human Genetics 72:4 (July 2008)
     
    "Our data suggest that the Tat C allele, which is widespread in Uralic-speaking populations, was substantially present in the ancient Magyar population when they crossed the Carpathians and settled in the Carpathian Basin. Our findings provide further evidence for its virtual absence in recent Hungarian-speaking populations, with the exception of a single male in the Szekler group. This contrast, despite the relative linguistic stability, may be attributed to a combination of the Magyars being a dominant elite, whose language was accepted by the more numerous pre-existing populations (mostly Slavs and Avars), and of the effects of a number of substantial post-Magyar immigrations and incursions. The Y-chromosomal patterns of the modern Hungarians and Szeklers can for the most part be adequately explained within the European paternal genetic landscape. As with other Europeans, the Y chromosomes are characterized by early lineages derived from Paleolithic inhabitants, and by a minor impact of Neolithic and post-Neolithic migratory episodes. Consistent with previous studies, Hungarian-speaking populations are genetically closely related to their geographic neighbours. The Hungarian and Szekler groups cluster together with some other central Europeans (e.g. Czechs and Slovaks), but mainly with Balkan populations. There are two exceptions. Haplogroup P*(xM173) is almost absent in continental Europe. The presence of this haplogroup in the Szeklers may indicate a connection with Central Asian populations. Also, there is an elevated haplogroup J frequency. This may reflect Anatolian and southern Balkan contributions to the gene pools of Hungarians and Szeklers, but historical data and the comparative analyses of maternal lineages of ancient Hungarian population suggest that the earlier migrations of the Magyars may also have contributed to the presence of this lineage in the Carpathian Basin."


    Bon, je n'en dirai pas plus car ce n'est pas ton coeur de cible. Simplement pour dire qu'on ne répond pas à une question de génétique avec des rapprochements linguistiques.
    Bien sûr, mais dans le cas de la France, c'est un indice énorme.
    V2 K15 (Average France) => North Sea : 27.46 (28.25) - Atlantic : 21.26 (26.05) - West Med : 19.05 (15.53) - Baltic : 9.17 (8.22) - Eastern Euro : 8.80 (6.32) - West Asian : 6.31 (4.66) - East Med : 4.85 (6.72) - Red Sea : 2.08 (2.83) - Amerindian : 1.02 (0.20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tchekitchek View Post
    J'ai cette tendance a m'identifier à une ascendance gauloise/celte, mais ça doit être un règlement de compte oedipien.
    Ou la puissance de marketing d'Astérix...
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    K13 : 55.7% North_Dutch + 44.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1,7
    K15 : 79.6% Orcadian + 20.4% Sardinian @ 3,27
    Of course one population is French... @ 4,09 and 5,38 for K13 and K15.
    Y-DNA of ancestors include R U-152> R-Z193> BY3642> BY3654, J-M67 (from 23andMe genocousins -12 lines to this ancestor),
    J-CTS1192 (Z387) and E-L117 (from French Heritage DNA Project at FT-DNA)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lyonnist View Post
    Bien sûr, mais dans le cas de la France, c'est un indice énorme.
    Justifie.
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