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    Bonjour, What are the kit numbers by Gedmatch for the samples of Gauls or Gaels from Iceland with i have matches and for the Franks please ? Merci.
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    Lech_MBA samples are all poor quality, but here are some of the youngest of Lech_EBA samples.

    All of these are high coverage and dated to 1815-1789 cal BCE (see page 65 in the link below):

    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...Mittnik-SM.pdf

    GEDmatch kit - sample - closest Eurogenes K15 Single Distance:

    KK8011389 - AITI_43 - in Eurogenes K15: French 5.43
    CP1480384 - AITI_50 - in Eurogenes K15: South_Dutch 6.38
    DG9597754 - AITI_72 - in Eurogenes K15: Spanish_Galicia 7.66
    PS9648941 - AITI_78 - in Eurogenes K15: French 7.47
    KJ6170001 - AITI_120 - in Eurogenes K15: French 5.48
    NJ6500074 - AITI_119 - in Eurogenes K15: French 8.98
    CN5088059 - AITI_2 - in Eurogenes K15: South_Dutch 9.76

    The best coverage of MBA samples has only 35,000 SNPs in K15, while these have ca. 100,000.

    Could it be that these AITI samples were Early Celts or Proto-Celts?

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    Similarity Map for seven Lech Valley samples dated to 1800-1750 BCE, most similar to France:

    https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm



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    Edit:

    New Similarity Map, after removing AITI_50 (the most northern-shifted outlier):

    Even more similar to Central French than before, but less similar to Germans:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Here are all of the Szolad samples:

    (...)
    This is how I predicted ethnicity of Szolad samples based on their results few months ago:

     

    ^^^
    And this is how they are modelled now in G25 with new Roman samples used in the models:

    SOURCE:

    Code:
    Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
    Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019,0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
    Germanic:SWE_IA,0.122929,0.123895,0.067127,0.058463,0.041238,0.02008,0.005875,0.007615,0.002863,-0.009659,0.003735,0.001948,-0.006987,0.003853,0.020358,-0.006762,-0.015385,0.006461,0.009427,0.00025,0.00025,0.002844,0.002465,0.011447,0.000359
    Germanic:DNK_BA,0.1160995,0.1370965,0.0633565,0.0524875,0.0296975,0.0301205,0.011163,-0.005192,-0.0072605,-0.003827,-0.002923,0.0089175,-0.004683,-0.0161015,0.0138435,0.0041765,0.00678,0.009565,0.0152095,0.0046275,0.017906,-0.0087795,0.000801,0.002651,-0.0113765
    Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.01169,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
    Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
    Greek:GRC_Mycenaean,0.107847,0.1563915,-0.008108,-0.0646808,0.0216962,-0.0271222,-0.0005288,-0.0021345,0.00542,0.047336,0.005521,0.0169352,-0.012785,-0.0006195,-0.0163882,-0.0098118,0.0210245,0.0036108,0.0123188,-0.0039705,-0.0058648,0.0001858,-0.0065935,0.0011448,-0.0007185
    Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,0.118376,0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
    Roman:DEU_Roman,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.000323,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,5e-04,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
    Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
    Roman:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0.045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
    Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.153345,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.010041,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
    Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.034695,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
    Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.044123,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874
    Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.0705215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.001385,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
    Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_78,0.132035,0.135065,0.046386,0.034238,0.036314,0.003626,0.002585,0.005769,0.005318,0.010023,0.001299,0.011839,-0.016947,-0.015001,0.017236,0.015115,0.021513,0.005828,0.003268,0.003252,0.006239,-0.002102,0.001109,-0.002651,-0.001676
    Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.05242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154,0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
    Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA:AITI_2,0.124067,0.140143,0.056191,0.041021,0.042162,0.016455,-0.003055,0.002077,0.014112,0.018406,0.002273,0.006744,-0.020218,-0.000413,0.011672,0.001591,-0.008996,-0.006334,0.013073,0.012631,0.006988,0.00371,0.001479,-0.005422,-0.00467
    Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA,0.127482,0.156392,0.047894,0.005491,0.04647,-0.011435,0.00329,0.011538,0.010022,0.031345,0.006496,0.012889,-0.012487,-0.01156,-0.0095,0.000796,0.001565,-0.003801,-0.005656,0.005753,-0.002995,0.009521,-0.001356,-0.006386,-0.011855
    TARGET:

    Code:
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ11,0.134311,0.137096,0.058454,0.047481,0.038776,0.02008,0.00752,0.002308,-0.004704,-0.008747,-0.005196,0.006894,-0.010406,-0.006744,0.015201,0.012729,0.004824,0.000253,0.000503,0.004502,0.000125,0.004328,-0.001109,0.011688,-0.005508
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ12,0.135449,0.135065,0.060339,0.048127,0.047393,0.015339,0.0047,0.005307,-0.001227,-0.002916,-0.007632,0.002398,0.000149,-0.006468,0.019272,0.002387,-0.000522,-0.003801,0.003017,0.007754,0.010606,0.005564,-0.00456,-0.001928,-0.001437
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ13,0.133173,0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.00423,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003328,0.01458,0.000359
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ14,0.119514,0.144205,0.053551,0.036176,0.035391,0.008088,0.00047,0.007615,-0.001432,0.001276,-0.007307,0.013038,-0.014271,-0.017753,0.014386,-0.001724,-0.015646,-0.005194,0.014832,-0.005127,-0.001996,0.006554,-0.009244,0.011809,0.004191
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ15,0.138864,0.116786,0.058454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.00235,0.010153,0.001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ16,0.133173,0.128972,0.068259,0.062662,0.035699,0.019522,0.002585,0.009923,0.001432,-0.005832,0.001137,0.008992,-0.005946,-0.006881,0.024158,0.006232,-0.008084,-0.000253,-0.003017,0.009004,0.003244,0.005193,0.001109,0.014219,0.003353
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ18,0.126344,0.14319,0.042238,0.015827,0.032929,0.00502,0.00611,0.000692,0.000205,0.010752,-0.002273,0.002698,-0.000446,-0.001789,-0.003393,0.009149,-0.004563,0.006714,0.015461,-0.005628,-0.001747,-0.002473,0.000246,0.010724,0.004191
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ2,0.122929,0.139128,0.070144,0.067184,0.038469,0.018128,0.00611,0.006461,-0.000205,-0.009294,-0.000974,-0.00015,-0.008474,-0.00055,0.017372,-0.006629,-0.022296,0.005954,0.005908,-0.004627,0.015597,0.000742,0.007395,0.008555,0.002634
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ22,0.130897,0.131003,0.057699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.00517,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ23,0.12862,0.140143,0.053174,0.035853,0.037853,0.002231,0.002115,0.006231,0.002863,0.007836,-0.010393,-0.003297,-0.005798,-0.010735,0.006379,0.009679,-0.004042,0.003421,0.005279,-5e-04,-0.002121,0.007666,0.004067,0.011688,0.000479
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ24,0.134311,0.132019,0.053551,0.040698,0.038776,0.010598,-0.00282,0.000692,0.001023,-0.001458,-0.010068,0.002997,-0.013379,0.001514,0.013843,0.019225,-0.00013,-0.005068,0.002137,0.009129,-0.007612,0.005935,0.001849,0.008796,-0.001078
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ27,0.118376,0.14319,0.032432,0.011305,0.026159,0.004462,0.00047,-0.004384,0.001023,0.008565,-0.006983,0.002847,-0.010852,-0.011285,0.005022,0.003845,0.005737,0.004434,0.00993,0.004252,-0.000749,-0.002226,0.008258,0.009158,-0.008622
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ28,0.124067,0.148267,0.029793,-0.008075,0.032006,-0.006972,0.00047,-0.003461,0.015339,0.032074,-0.004547,0.007493,-0.014569,0.002064,-0.005293,0.000928,0.006389,0.00266,0.006662,-0.004627,0.004742,0.002226,-0.005176,-0.00494,-0.001557
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ3,0.132035,0.141159,0.04978,0.035853,0.038776,0.01255,0.00235,0.006231,0.006749,0.01549,-0.003248,0.01109,-0.015907,-0.000688,0.005293,0.018563,0.023208,0.005954,0.004902,-0.001376,0.001747,0.009521,0.001109,0.014942,-0.003592
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ30,0.125205,0.125926,0.056191,0.038114,0.03693,0.021753,-0.00094,0.010615,0.00409,0.003827,-0.014128,0.001798,-0.013974,-0.008257,0.021715,-0.010342,-0.023991,-0.00266,0.01169,0.002126,0.016596,0.002844,-0.00037,0.017111,0.000239
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ32,0.111547,0.157407,0.015085,-0.024871,0.026466,-0.015618,0.00141,-0.002308,0.005727,0.019135,0.002598,0.001798,-0.011298,-0.008808,-0.004072,0.002784,0.003651,0.001014,-0.000126,-0.002001,-0.006239,0.000495,0.00456,-0.01458,-0.001916
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36,0.117238,0.148267,0.011691,-0.025517,0.028313,-0.010319,0.003525,0.006923,0.00225,0.02041,0.003085,-0.000599,-0.009663,-0.004679,-0.001357,0.005834,0.00326,-0.000887,0.000377,0.001501,-0.008111,0.004451,0.006779,0.001566,-0.000479
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37,0.118376,0.139128,0.014708,-0.012597,0.01231,-0.006414,-0.004935,0.011769,0.004704,0.013121,-0.003735,0.004796,-0.013379,-0.001514,-0.008143,-0.00053,-0.00326,-0.005574,0.01257,-0.002626,-0.006738,0.006306,-0.000246,0.001807,-0.006706
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ38,0.12862,0.140143,0.057322,0.03553,0.042162,0.016176,0.00047,-0.000923,0.003681,0.006378,-0.000812,0.003597,-0.011298,-0.00867,0.006786,0.001724,-0.017993,0.001774,0.003645,0.003126,0.010232,0.009027,0.000123,0.011447,0.003473
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ4,0.134311,0.133034,0.064488,0.056525,0.035699,0.021196,0.011751,0.007154,-0.001841,0.004191,-0.005846,0.001649,-0.013082,-0.001376,0.026465,-0.002519,-0.024121,0.004687,0.00176,-0.004002,0.006988,0.007543,0.004067,0.013737,0.001796
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ40,0.108132,0.149283,0.00264,-0.037791,0.018157,-0.010598,0.00094,-0.014538,0.003477,0.026789,-0.002436,0.008243,-0.007582,-0.008945,-0.00285,0.005304,0.020731,-0.003927,-0.000377,0.000375,-0.011355,0.00507,0.002218,0.00482,-0.005149
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ42,0.130897,0.14319,0.057699,0.038114,0.035699,0.012271,0.005405,-0.000231,-0.004704,-0.006196,-0.000487,0.005695,-0.00773,-0.005505,0.014929,0.005038,-0.003781,0.003801,0.011439,0.005378,0.007362,0.001978,-0.002588,0.007712,-0.001796
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43,0.122929,0.145221,0.01697,-0.019057,0.030775,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004154,0.009613,0.020775,0.002436,0.005545,-0.011596,-0.007019,0.00095,-0.006364,0.011343,0.000507,0.005656,-0.00075,-0.006239,0.000989,0.004314,0.006145,-0.001078
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ45,0.117238,0.141159,0.039598,0.013566,0.035699,0.008646,0.00846,0.00923,0.005113,0.014214,-0.001137,-0.001199,-0.013379,-0.003165,0.004072,0.003845,-0.000652,-0.000507,0.004148,0.004377,0.002246,0.001855,-0.00419,0.005181,-0.003473
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ5,0.125205,0.133034,0.048649,0.034238,0.036007,0.001394,0.003995,0.003,-0.001636,0.004009,-0.005521,-0.000599,-0.005798,-0.012524,-0.000814,0.015513,0.01356,-0.003294,0.005154,0.002751,-0.003619,0.002349,0.003451,0.008796,-0.004311
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ7,0.135449,0.135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3e-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ8,0.125205,0.153345,0.054682,0.047804,0.038776,0.015339,-0.000235,0.001385,0.009613,0.002551,0.002598,0.012589,-0.010555,-0.013074,0.013843,-0.010077,-0.008475,0.013936,0.004274,0.000625,0.004742,-0.00779,-0.007272,0.00482,-0.005029
    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ9,0.138864,0.125926,0.069013,0.066861,0.036622,0.03012,0.00188,0.011999,0.011658,-0.000547,-0.011692,0.003597,-0.008176,-0.003716,0.029994,-0.001193,-0.00665,0.001394,0.00088,0.007629,0.011355,0.005812,-0.003451,0.014942,-0.001796
    HUN_MA_Szolad_o1:SZ19,0.120652,0.167562,0.012822,-0.045866,0.035391,-0.022869,-0.00047,-0.000923,0.001023,0.045559,0.007145,0.01079,-0.013528,0.007844,-0.014115,-0.018297,-0.003129,0.003421,0.008547,-0.016258,-0.010232,0.003462,0.005793,0.007832,0.001317
    On the left their G25 results, on the right my predictions from before we had Roman DNA:

    SZ36 = I predicted as Roman, turns out correct
    SZ37 = I predicted as Roman, turns out correct
    SZ43 = I predicted as Roman, turns out a Roman-Greek-Celtic mix
    SZ40 = I predicted as Greek, turns out Imperial Roman (similar!)
    SZ28 = I predicted as Roman, turns out correct
    SZ19 = I predicted as Greek, turns out correct

    Last edited by Tomenable; 11-15-2019 at 10:28 PM.

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    Canada England Scotland Germany Poland France
    I really would like to know if someone out there has uploaded or would upload some samples to GEDmatch:
    From the Genomics of the Viking world, the Orcadians:
    VK201, VK202, VK203, and VK207. I'd also like a look at VK545 which IIRC is the sample from Ireland.

    I'd like to access the Icelandic Gaelic samples as well:
    STT-A-2
    SSG-A-4
    SSG-A-2
    SBT-A-1
    ORE-A-1
    NTR-A-2
    KNS-A-1

    Thank you very much to anyone who knows about these or can even point me in the right direction.
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English (possibly containing some Welsh ancestry) 31.25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, Eastern German 12.5%, Eastern European (Likely Polish possibly including Romanian) 12.5%, French 7.81%, Native American (Saulteaux and Assiniboine) 2.34%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be traced with certainty. With certainty, there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English.

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    Don't know where to ask this question but can somebody upload samples from Balanovsky et al to GEDmatch (Caucasus, Central Asia)? That's not ancient DNA though. I just don't know if anyone here is willing to do that.

    @Ajeje Brazorf, are you still around?
    Living DNA (upload)

    Northeast Europe 48.9%
    Finland and Western Russia 28.2%
    Baltics 18.5%
    Chuvashia 4.4%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Don't know where to ask this question but can somebody upload samples from Balanovsky et al to GEDmatch (Caucasus, Central Asia)? That's not ancient DNA though. I just don't know if anyone here is willing to do that.

    @Ajeje Brazorf, are you still around?
    I'm not able to do that, I'm sorry. Tomenable may do that, he has also uploaded several ancient samples on GEDmatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    I'm not able to do that, I'm sorry. Tomenable may do that, he has also uploaded several ancient samples on GEDmatch.
    I see. That's unfortunate. Said individual and another one don't want or too busy to do that.
    Living DNA (upload)

    Northeast Europe 48.9%
    Finland and Western Russia 28.2%
    Baltics 18.5%
    Chuvashia 4.4%

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    None of them seem to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RVBLAKE View Post
    Have you any knowledge of the Orcadian samples Z624158 and Z056487?
    Hello I'm new here.
    I do have almost 30cM in common with both of them. What period are these samples? Are they really from Orkney islands? I'm from southern Poland.

    Thanks,
    Grzegorz

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    Nuraghs kit available?

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