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    More info about M1a?

    Where is its highest frequency, place of origin, etc?

    Thanks

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    Hi, Im berber from Northern Morocco,

    My maternal haplogroup is M1a3a, a typical indigenous North African haplogroup.

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    I'm Tutsi from Rwanda and my haplogroup is M1a1f

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rwaka View Post
    I'm Tutsi from Rwanda and my haplogroup is M1a1f
    I'm not a specialist, but it seems me your Y-hg E1b1b--M293 and your mt-hg M1 comes from Soudan and Ethiopia with Couchitic pastoralists which mixed with Nilotics to form Tutsis , Himas , Turkanas, Massais and other peoples. More recently , some adopted the language of the Bantus who were the majority in their new regions and there has been a beginning of mixings when no slaughterings.

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    Yes E-M293 is responsible for the spread of pastoralism in South Eastern Africa and Southern Africa. A recent study about the introduction of pastoralism in Sub Saharan Africa, most of the samples that were founded were also E-M293 Y-dna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palamede View Post
    I'm not a specialist, but it seems me your Y-hg E1b1b--M293 and your mt-hg M1 comes from Soudan and Ethiopia with Couchitic pastoralists which mixed with Nilotics to form Tutsis , Himas , Turkanas, Massais and other peoples. More recently , some adopted the language of the Bantus who were the majority in their new regions and there has been a beginning of mixings when no slaughterings.
    Yes E-M293 is responsible for the spread of pastoralism in South Eastern Africa and Southern Africa. A recent study about the introduction of pastoralism in Sub Saharan Africa, most of the samples that were found were also E-M293 Y-dna. Yeah M1a1 is from the horn. But most of the Tutsis carry local hunter gatherer maternal haplogroups. Very few carry middle eastern mtdnas too.
    Last edited by Rwaka; 06-10-2019 at 11:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rwaka View Post
    Yeah M1a1 is from the horn.
    M1 did not originate in the Horn. It most likely is an early back-to-Africa lineage that re-entered Africa via the Sinai.

    But I guess you mean Tutsis got it via Horn, but even that is a dubious claim as studies show that the South Cushites descend from a North Sudanese population and migrated through Ethiopia rather quickly and did not have a long history there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    M1 did not originate in the Horn. It most likely is an early back-to-Africa lineage that re-entered Africa via the Sinai.

    But I guess you mean Tutsis got it via Horn, but even that is a dubious claim as studies show that the South Cushites descend from a North Sudanese population and migrated through Ethiopia rather quickly and did not have a long history there.
    Yes I meant the clade M1a1f. I know M1 is also a Eurasian haplogroup. Oh do you have those studies? I'm interested in reading them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rwaka View Post
    Yes I meant the clade M1a1f. I know M1 is also a Eurasian haplogroup. Oh do you have those studies? I'm interested in reading them.
    The deeper the subclade the easier it is to pinpoint the origins. So yeah, your subclade of M1 is likely from South Cushites who passed through Ethiopia.

    But I think the Paleolithic Horn mostly only had L0, L4, L6, and certain types of L3 (not all of them). Most of the other maternal lineages found in the Horn today come from the North Sudanese Neolithic Pastoralists.

    https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...lNeolithic.pdf

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