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Thread: New study on R1b Ht35 published by Lucotte

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Dug up some old posts from Palamede, on other forums. More edits for the map as per the following

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3068964/



    Only a small percentage Provence are perhaps L23x51.

    Smyrnia settlements start to overlap with also Luwian Language areas and it's importance with regards wheel.









    Of interest is also the two regions listed above may have contributed to the Philistines colonizing the 5 cities in Levant.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PYGoGfyx6k

    2:32 part two possible homeland.
    Jan 2 2016 autosomal update/study for above diagram/general region.
    To date no R1b found in ancient samples.
    http://www.cell.com/current-biology/...2815%2901516-X

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    Very interesting read. Autosomal Matches to the Surname Sarni from Morra De Sanctis, Italy, which was my GGGrandmother's surname and town, have shown that her Father was R1b L23. The Sarnis had been in Morra De Sanctis, which is in the Avellino Province of Campania, for centuries. Going back to the early Medieval Period, the origin of this line was the town of Sarno, at the base of Mount Vesuvius, in the Salerno Province. So our ancestral origin was in Campania, the region immediately North of where L23 peaks, in Calabria. The Ancient Greek theory is interesting, but from all the information I know, including all of the places this Haplogroup has shown up in Italy, it appears far too common and widespread to be attributed to Greeks in Italy, at least all of it. Arbereshe are showing in the Balkan cluster of the group and I imagine that's expected. Our Sarni line is not of Arbereshe origin, and Autosomal Tests, both 23andMe and dna land, have so far shown 0% Balkan Autosomal contribution in my Family, which is Tuscan, Abruzzese, and Campanian.
    Paternal Haplogroup: I2a1c (Ancestor: Albert I Lee (Family surname was "Brooks" prior to the British-Boer War II) / Born: 1900-Middlesbrough Yorkshire, England)

    Maternal Haplogroup: J2a1 (Ancestor: Maria B. Cavallini / Born: 1893-Livorno, Tuscany, Italy)

    Places Of Ancestry: Yorkshire, England/ Durham, England/ Lancashire, England/ Abruzzo, Italy/ Campania, Italy/ Tuscany, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Interesting place Italy.

    Here is one who matches me at 12, from Schleswig-Holstein. Exact at 12 but extended we differ, mostly on the fast markers, which is why he belongs to 7.0 [L21+] P312+ M222- Extended and chosen from 37.
    8/8 slow marker match[mutation rate]

    393-12-0.00076%
    426-12-0.00008%
    388-12-0.00022%
    392-13-0.00052%
    455-11-0.00016%
    454-11-0.00016%
    437-15-0.00099%
    438-12-0.00055%

    13/17 medium match [mutation rate]

    390-24-0.0031%
    19-14-0.00151
    391-10-0.00226%
    385-11-14-0.00226%
    439-11-0.00477%[/I]
    389I-14-0.00186%
    389II-31-0.00242%
    459-9-10-0.00132%
    447-25-0.00264%
    448-19-0.00135%
    YCAII-19-23-0.00151%-*DYS394
    3 markers 1 step.
    460-11-10
    Gata-H4-11-10
    442-11-12

    2/10 fast match
    464-b-c-15-16-0.00566%
    Update-R1b-M269>L23>Z2103> found in Cradle of Kurgan Culture.
    Waiting for new results to see if predicted sample P312 sample[from Schleswig-Holstein] matched at first string of [12]strs and above combination of slow and fast markers are connected with Cradle of Kurgan Culture[5000ybp+/-] or not[ as speculated almost 4 years ago] .
    Time has come stop using Yamnaya L23 and Z2109 as shareware samples to reconstruct -L151+ R1a history .

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    May 26 2017 update; Again as above study no R1b found. However interesting Steppe results.





    Continuity and admixture in the last five millennia of Levantine history from ancient Canaanite and present-day Lebanese genome sequences
    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/26/142448
    Time has come stop using Yamnaya L23 and Z2109 as shareware samples to reconstruct -L151+ R1a history .

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