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    Question J-S12192 - I need your help!

    Dear Anthrogenica Community!


    I got my Geno 2.0 results two weeks ago and since then I am very confused. My paternal haplogroup, determined by My Family Tree DNA, is J-S12192. I found a lot of websites, talking about the Cohen Modal Haplotype and that my mutation is a child of this tree. Whenever I tried to get information about this group people wanted to sell me more tests or join strange genealogy-groups. My family origins from East Europe.

    Is the Haplogroup J-S12192 a proven Jewish-Cohen haplogroup?

    What does this site tell me about my haplogroup?

    I am a bit confused because I am not well informed about genetic science. I have a lot of confirmed SNP's from my results - what can they tell me about my ancestors? Can somebody interpret them?


    Maximilian.
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    I can't answer your question, but if you look at all the FTDNA ID numbers under S12192 at http://genogenea.com/J-M267/tree and look them up at
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...x?section=ysnp or anywhere else Google can find them, at least you can see some surnames.

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    This is what I found.

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    Oh, sorry, the one under Z18271 is S12192 !

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    Hi there Maximilian and welcome to Anthrogenica

    S12192 is the most important branch of J1-Z18271, which is the diagnostic marker shared by roughly 40% to 50% of all Kohanim. As you can see, S12192's TMRCA is ~1,250 years old, meaning the common ancestor of all S12192 positive men in all likeliness lived during the 8th century CE while Z18271's TMRCA is roughly ~2,600 years old. In other words, your paternal ancestors obviously were Kohanim.
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    מכורותיך ומולדותיך מארץ הכנעני אביך האמורי ואמך חתית
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    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    Thank you for your help!

    Do you know where this common ancestor lived?

    I never thought about this possibility!

    Do you have any further information about this TMCR ?
    Last edited by Maximilian; 01-19-2017 at 09:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximilian View Post
    Thank you for your help!

    Do you know where this common ancestor lived?

    It gets really exciting because I never thought about this possibility!

    Do you have any further information about this TMCR ?
    If you're talking about S12192, I'd surmise the common ancestor lived in France or along the Rhine, perhaps even in Bavaria. As far as Z18271 goes, the MRCA obviously lived in Judah, probably in Jerusalem, and was in all likeliness part of the priestly class (I won't get into the debate of "who descends from the high priest", it's fruitless).
    מכורותיך ומולדותיך מארץ הכנעני אביך האמורי ואמך חתית
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    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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    I am really interested into the history of the common ancestors of jewish Haplogroups, especially the S12192 one. Is there a thread about that, do you know more about this topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximilian View Post
    I am really interested into the history of the common ancestors of jewish Haplogroups, especially the S12192 one. Is there a thread about that, do you know more about this topic?
    A lot has been written about how several subclades under S12192 fit with famous rabbinical lineages, S12192 is also found among Sephardim. It is the most prestigious branch under Z18271 as far as I can tell. My own branch is much more discrete, though also linked to a long line of rabbinical scholars and priests (I am not S12192).
    מכורותיך ומולדותיך מארץ הכנעני אביך האמורי ואמך חתית
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    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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    Willkommen auf Anthrogenica Maximilian!

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