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    Ancient Eurasian Steppe selected Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups, and Gedmatch IDs: Scythians, Xiongnu, Huns, Turks, and Mongols
    http://open-genomes.org/analysis/Eur..._Gedmatch.html

    Some ancient Y DNA Q with Y Full placement, and GEDmatch IDs.
    Maternal Grandfather's Y Line: J-ZS1711
    Maternal Grandfather's mtDNA: K2b1
    Paternal Grandmother’s mtDNA: U5a1

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    DA74 seems to be of the Turkmen type Q-BZ1000
    DA54 is Q-L715 (neg BZ640, neg YP4385) could also be L713
    DA86 and DA105 are Q-L715*, probably related to Karasuk type
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    most flavorful dishes... Of all of God’s servants, the local people are the most compassionate and merciful...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    DA74 seems to be of the Turkmen type Q-BZ1000
    DA54 is Q-L715 (neg BZ640, neg YP4385) could also be L713
    DA86 and DA105 are Q-L715*, probably related to Karasuk type
    Has any ancient specimen whose Y-DNA has been extracted and sequenced been found to belong to haplogroup Q1b1a3-L330?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebizur View Post
    Has any ancient specimen whose Y-DNA has been extracted and sequenced been found to belong to haplogroup Q1b1a3-L330?
    You mean the latest Eurasian paper?
    There are 2 who are uploaded on Yfull
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/
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    most flavorful dishes... Of all of God’s servants, the local people are the most compassionate and merciful...

    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    You mean the latest Eurasian paper?
    There are 2 who are uploaded on Yfull
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/
    Thank you, Afshar.

    It looks like one of those two specimens (ERS2374408) belongs specifically to the Q-L332 subclade that has been found in Uzbekistan and Hungary. Therefore, he must not have shared a common patrilineal ancestor with the members of Q-B287 who predominate among the Kets, Selkups, etc. for the past 8,000 years or so.

    Where were the ERS2374408 and ERS2374317 specimens discovered?

    According to the table at http://open-genomes.org/analysis/Eur..._Gedmatch.html, ERS2374408 belongs to mtDNA haplogroup J1b1a1 and ERS2374317 belongs to mtDNA haplogroup C4.
    Last edited by Ebizur; 05-02-2018 at 11:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebizur View Post
    Thank you, Afshar.

    It looks like one of those two specimens (ERS2374408) belongs specifically to the Q-L332 subclade that has been found in Uzbekistan and Hungary. Therefore, he must not have shared a common patrilineal ancestor with the members of Q-B287 who predominate among the Kets, Selkups, etc. for the past 8,000 years or so.

    Where were the ERS2374408 and ERS2374317 specimens discovered?

    According to the table at http://open-genomes.org/analysis/Eur..._Gedmatch.html, ERS2374408 belongs to mtDNA haplogroup J1b1a1 and ERS2374317 belongs to mtDNA haplogroup C4.
    There is too much speculation around, but not about these two guys, at least I did not see any.
    And I noticed most low quality samples are Q, for these I see again one of them is low quality. Makes me wonder if they have something in common.
    Last edited by Afshar; 05-02-2018 at 11:58 AM.
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    other countries can be seen everywhere here... Here live the people who wear the cleanest clothes and prepare the
    most flavorful dishes... Of all of God’s servants, the local people are the most compassionate and merciful...

    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    DA74 seems to be of the Turkmen type Q-BZ1000
    DA54 is Q-L715 (neg BZ640, neg YP4385) could also be L713
    DA86 and DA105 are Q-L715*, probably related to Karasuk type
    EDIT BZ1000 is polish (nobility) subclade not Turkmen
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    other countries can be seen everywhere here... Here live the people who wear the cleanest clothes and prepare the
    most flavorful dishes... Of all of God’s servants, the local people are the most compassionate and merciful...

    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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    Lots of news for Q! SNP Packs are out for the Northwestern European Branches of Q!

    And a new paper was released with collaboration from FTDNA's Y-DNA Haplogroup Q-M242 Project! https://haplogroup.org/sources/pater...ome-sequences/

    https://haplogroup.org/q-m242-weekly...-10-july-2018/
    Hi,

    This is Rebekah Canada from the Y-DNA Haplogroup Q-M242 Project. This week's newsletter will cover the project's most recent published paper, the Q-L804 and Q-L527 branches, and new SNP Packs being developed by Family Tree DNA for Q-L804 and Q-L527.

    New Paper
    The project's most recent research collaboration is published. We are most grateful to those who donated their test results, Michael Sager and Brent Manning in the FTDNA lab, our colleges in China, and the reviewers and publishers for the European Journal of Human Genetics.

    Paternal origin of Paleo-Indians in Siberia: insights from Y-chromosome sequences

    Abstract: The expansion of modern humans to the American continent after the Last Glacial Maximum led the way to the present-day distribution of American aborigines. Recent advances in autosomal DNA research and expanded testing of mtDNA lineages has provided a clearer picture of the number and timing of founding lineages. However, both autosomal DNA and mtDNA research have provided unresolved competing theories between the short-term and the long-term models of the Beringian standstill hypothesis. Further, the source of founding paternal lineages of American aborigines and their relationship with ancient Siberia populations remains ambiguous. In this study, we reanalyzed a 7.0 Mbp region of 132 paternal Y-chromosome sequences, including 39 newly reported ones, of male samples from American aborigines and Eurasian populations. Among Eurasian samples, we identified Y-chromosome branches that are most closely related to known American aborigine founding lineages, that is, Q1-L804 links to Q1-M3, Q1-L330 links to Q1-Z780, Q1-M120 links to Q1-B143, and C2-F1756 links to C2-P39. The revised phylogenetic tree and age estimates indicate a narrow timeframe (~15.3–14.3 kya) for the upper time limit of human entry to the American continent. Our analysis suggests that the in situ differentiation of Q-M242 in Central Eurasia and South Siberia region gave rise to numerous sub-lineages older than 15.3 kya, and the founding of Paleo-Indian paternal lineages is part of the great Q1-L53 diffusion throughout the Eurasia after the Last Glacial Maximum. The results of our study will assist in future studies of the history of modern populations in Eurasia and the Americas.

    Journal Website: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-018-0211-6

    Q-L527 and Q-L804 Overview
    Q-L527 and Q-L804 are two Northwestern European branches of Q. A brother branch to the major Native American founding Q-M3 lineage, Q-L804's presence in Europe is fascinating. On the other hand, the perhaps older Q-L527 ties into the Q-L940 branch that links it broadly to Southwestern Asia and the Middle East. Many people guess that if someone is a European Q then they must be either one or the other of these branches. This is not the case.

    It is most rare to find either of these branches outside of Norway, Sweden, and the British Isles. If you are a German Q, you are likely a much different branch. To make things even more complicated, though both have their highest frequencies in the West of Sweden, their oldest and most divers branches may be from England in the British Isles.

    It is exploring the distribution of the branches under Q-L527 and Q-L804 that has inspired the creation of mini-SNP Packs for each.

    Q-L527 Tree

    Q-L527 July 10 2018

    Q-L804 Tree

    Q-L804 July 10 2018

    New SNP Packs
    As a reminder, a SNP Pack is a preset group of Y-DNA SNPs that are ordered and tested together. This eliminates guess-work in testing and greatly reduces the price per Y-SNP tested. The Q-L527 and Q-L804 branches have enjoyed extensive Big Y testing, but broader testing of men from diverse geographic origins is needed to help expand what is known of the lineages under these two branches. Thus, in April, I decided that the project was ready to work on two new SNP Packs. I contacted Michael Sager at Family Tree DNA, and we agreed on two small low-cost SNP Packs.

    Me: What do you think of doing single well panels (<40 SNPs) for Q-L804 and Q-L527? Those are the branches most common to the Swedes and the English. (April 19)
    Michael Sager: This is probably something we could entertain. We can look at a SNP list and go from there. (April 23)
    Me: Would you be willing to double-check those two branches (they are small) for completeness on the tree? I think we are completely current, but I would feel better if you looked at it. (April 23)
    Michael Sager: I believe both branches are now fully up to date with the in-house data we have.
    Me: Thanks. For Q-L804, we would have these, plus maybe 10 more that you think would be useful for redundancy? I grabbed primary SNPs, but feel free to go with any SNP on a branch that would work better on the panel. (April 23)

    I would say that Q-L804 is 2 to 3% of Norway and Sweden and is lower frequency in Iceland, Finland, and the British Isles.
    Me: Correction. Not found in Finland yet, that is Q-L527. (April 23)
    Me: Q-L527 is a little tighter, but I think we can still do it. I grabbed primary SNPs, but feel free to go with any SNP on a branch that would work better on the panel.

    I would say that Q-L527 is also 2 to 3% of Norway and Sweden. It is found in Finland and the British Isles. I suspect it would be found more in some part of Western Central Asia if we got customers from the right place. (April 23)
    Michael Sager: Ok – I will have something for you relatively soon I start with the current SNP lists and see if any need to go. (April 25)
    Michael Sager: Just a note on this, we have ordered this panel. We expect it to arrive this week or late next week. At which point we'll get validations going shortly there after. (June 13)
    Michael Sager: For the most part these panels came back with pretty nice data. … (July 6)
    Me: Sounds good. (July 6)

    The Panels
    Here is what the panels will test. They are not perfect, but I think they came out really well. They will be available to order in the next two weeks. I will email those who I believe will most benefit from them.

    Q-L527

    SNP Marker Branch Working
    L527 Q-L527 Yes
    Y4838 Q-Y4838 Yes
    Y15684 Q-Y15684 Yes
    Y15682 Q-Y15682 Yes
    Y15683 Q-Y15683 Yes
    Y17427 Q-Y17427 Yes
    BZ50069 Q-BZ50069 Yes
    FGC6872 Q-BZ50069 Yes
    FGC6986 Q-FGC6986 Yes
    YP5085 Q-FGC6986 Yes
    BY38337 Q-YP5085 Yes
    BY38336 Q-BY38336 Yes
    Y105256 Q-BY38336 Yes
    Y11649 Q-Y105256 Yes
    Y103147 Q-Y11649 Yes
    BY50206 Q-BY38339 Yes
    BY50207 Q-BY50206 Yes
    Y16739 Q-BY50206 Yes
    BY15847 Q-Y16739 Yes
    YP4798 Q-BY15847 Yes
    BY15842 Q-YP4798 Yes
    BY15843 Q-BY15842 Yes
    YP4568 Q-BY15843 Yes
    Y17593 Q-YP4568 Yes
    BY40610 Q-Y17593 Yes
    BY40729 Q-BY40610 Yes
    BZ4900 Q-BY40728 Yes
    YP5094 Q-BZ4899 Yes
    YP5093 Q-YP5093 Yes
    BY38345 Q-YP5093 Yes
    Y59819 Q-BY38345 Yes
    BZ50006 Q-Y59819 Yes
    BZ50018 Q-BZ50006 Maybe
    BZ50019 Q-BZ50018 Yes
    FGC6995 Q-BZ50018 Yes
    Y17427 Q-FGC6995 Maybe
    Y29862 Q-Y17427 Yes
    Y44561 Q-Y44561 Yes
    Y4929 Q-Y4929 Yes
    YP4801 Q-YP4801 Yes
    Q-L804

    SNP Marker Branch Working
    BY15789 Q-BY15789 No
    BY15796 Q-BY15796 Yes
    BY38347 Q-BY38347 Yes
    BY387 Q-BY387 Yes
    BY459 Q-BY459 Yes
    BY15790 Q-BY460 Yes
    BY460 Q-BY460 Yes
    BZ4901 Q-BZ4901 Yes
    BZ4910 Q-BZ4901 Yes
    BZ50007 Q-BZ50007 Yes
    BZ50009 Q-BZ50007 Yes
    JN14 Q-JN14 Yes
    L804 Q-L804 Yes
    L807 Q-L807 Yes
    PH2989 Q-L807 Yes
    M7839 Q-M7839 Yes
    PH223 Q-PH2487 Yes
    PH2487 Q-PH2487 Yes
    Y11515 Q-Y11515 Yes
    Y15622 Q-Y15622 Yes
    Y15700 Q-Y15700 Yes
    A13513 Q-Y16137 Yes
    Y16137 Q-Y16137 Yes
    Y18021 Q-Y18021 Yes
    Y18220 Q-Y18220 Yes
    Y18503 Q-Y18503 Yes
    Y22488 Q-Y22488 Yes
    Y22489 Q-Y22489 No
    Y29863 Q-Y29863 Yes
    Y38488 Q-Y38488 Yes
    Y39585 Q-Y38488 Yes
    Y38666 Q-Y38666 Yes
    Y44444 Q-Y38666 Yes
    Y39131 Q-Y39131 Maybe
    Y39131 Q-Y39131 Yes
    Y9048 Q-Y9050 No
    Y9291 Q-Y9291 Yes
    Y9294 Q-Y9291 Yes
    YP4709 Q-YP4709 Yes
    YP5097 Q-YP5097 Yes
    Maternal Grandfather's Y Line: J-ZS1711
    Maternal Grandfather's mtDNA: K2b1
    Paternal Grandmother’s mtDNA: U5a1

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