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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    Yes, that is what I'm seeing now - I had checked this morning before heading into work but nothing was showing. I'm a little surprised that the Irish fellow isn't showing on my Big Y matches list (which is still empty). I figure if I have 13 private variants and the average for our branch is 13, we should be under the threshold of 30. If we're past 30 then he should have 18 private variants and then the average would be 15.5.

    Using YFull's methodology, I've got 9 SNPs in the combBED region, which gets an individual 1296 ybp or 725 AD. So that sounds pretty similar and definitely within confidence intervals. Looks like our common ancestor was way before the adoption of surnames. But I can at least put several of my previously novel SNPs in some kind of order.
    That's great news. After all the time you spent stuck at L338 in the Bronze Age, it's wonderful to see all this unfolding of late. Are you able to contact the Irish tester in case there's anything to learn there?
    Living DNA's former Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Closest matches: Sweden; TMRCA 1,300 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    Yes, that is what I'm seeing now - I had checked this morning before heading into work but nothing was showing. I'm a little surprised that the Irish fellow isn't showing on my Big Y matches list (which is still empty). I figure if I have 13 private variants and the average for our branch is 13, we should be under the threshold of 30. If we're past 30 then he should have 18 private variants and then the average would be 15.5.

    Using YFull's methodology, I've got 9 SNPs in the combBED region, which gets an individual 1296 ybp or 725 AD. So that sounds pretty similar and definitely within confidence intervals. Looks like our common ancestor was way before the adoption of surnames. But I can at least put several of my previously novel SNPs in some kind of order.

    If I remember correctly, the non-matching calls come from the automated part of their results and they aren’t manually reviewed. So there are probably SNPs from dubious regions being included.

    For some reason my non-matching calls always seem to be higher than my closest matches. For example, the person in red doesn’t show up in my match list. Even though he appears in the lists of my surname matches (in FT80854 & FT236022). At least, the ones I have access to.

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    Last edited by JMcB; 09-15-2021 at 02:49 AM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    That's great news. After all the time you spent stuck at L338 in the Bronze Age, it's wonderful to see all this unfolding of late. Are you able to contact the Irish tester in case there's anything to learn there?
    Indeed - it's definitely progress! The Irish tester is in my STR matches list, although we're not close matches (GD2 at Y25, GD1 at Y12, outside the threshold for higher levels). Because they are in the STR matches, I can see their name, tree and contact details. Their patrilineal line was in the US for multiple generations going back to the early 19th century and a couple of generations in Ireland before that. I had sent an email at the end of July but haven't had a reply back. From the email address, it looks like it's a kit managed by a relative. I'll send them one more follow up email when the results seem like they're not moving anymore. They have joined the main I1 project as well as their surname project, so that indicates some interest. As for the other tester one level up at I-FGC74348, no idea - he's not in my STR match list at any level and haven't seen them in any projects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    If I remember correctly, the non-matching calls come from the automated part of their results and they aren’t manually reviewed. So there are probably SNPs from dubious regions being included.

    For some reason my non-matching calls always seem to be higher than my closest matches. For example, the person in red doesn’t show up in my match list. Even though he appears in the lists of my surname matches (in FT80854 & FT236022). At least, the ones I have access to.

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    I'm finding that I'm struggling with the logic of how FTDNA is organizing the display of results. I realize in the past that the Big Y match criteria were rather too loose in giving a long list of non-relevant matches, and needed tightening up, but it seems to have gone too far the other way - I realize that several others have been saying similar for a few years now. It's the main reason that I'm not keen that FTDNA achieves their desired monopolization of the market of Y-DNA testing and analysis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    I'm finding that I'm struggling with the logic of how FTDNA is organizing the display of results. I realize in the past that the Big Y match criteria were rather too loose in giving a long list of non-relevant matches, and needed tightening up, but it seems to have gone too far the other way - I realize that several others have been saying similar for a few years now. It's the main reason that I'm not keen that FTDNA achieves their desired monopolization of the market of Y-DNA testing and analysis.
    Yes, I agree. It was a subject of much debate at the time, with many wanting them to extended their cutoff date another five hundred years (to 40 non-matching variants). In theory, I could live with their current policy. If it was consistently working in practice but it doesn’t appear to be. At any rate, unfortunately, that ship has sailed.
    Last edited by JMcB; 09-15-2021 at 08:33 PM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Yes. Im a I1-Z140 from Denmark
    Paternal line is documented back to the 1700's in southern Jutland.
    My paternal line has not been doing a lot travelling compared to some of you guys i see lol..

    I'd be curious to see how it can be im a Z140 from Denmark. Z140 is mainly British isles as far as i can tell??
    I guess it's because my line was the one that stayed back during the germanic migrations to Britain...perhaps?
    Last edited by Matxe; 09-16-2021 at 12:26 PM.
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    25% Funen
    12,5% Westphalia german
    12,5% Northern Poland

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    31,26% British/irish
    15,56% Eastern european
    2,54% Benelux
    +traces..

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    Welcome aboard Matxe! There are still plenty of modern Z140 Scandinavians and you're right that many will have stayed behind while others left (don't forget there are also always a lot more testers of British descent). Are you planning to test your Y line further to establish where you sit downstream of Z140?
    Living DNA's former Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Closest matches: Sweden; TMRCA 1,300 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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    What's the story of I1-Z140?

    Being part of this group myself, i'm curious if anybody on here would share some info on it?
    Your welcome to share you own little theory aswell.
    Last edited by Matxe; 09-16-2021 at 04:12 PM.
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    12,5% Westphalia german
    12,5% Northern Poland

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    31,26% British/irish
    15,56% Eastern european
    2,54% Benelux
    +traces..

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    Thank you Jonik! Yes definitely. I'd be very interrested in knowing how my lineage fits into the story, absolutely.
    Particularly in relation to how it fits in the story of germanic migrations into Britain, perhaps the danish vikings/settlers aswell.
    I have a 6th sense telling me it could reveal something pretty interresting, maybe for other people aswell.

    Your welcome to sponser me anytime LOL
    Only joking, yes i will be doing the test at some point.
    Last edited by Matxe; 09-16-2021 at 03:35 PM.
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    50% Jutland
    25% Funen
    12,5% Westphalia german
    12,5% Northern Poland

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    50,1% Scandinavian
    31,26% British/irish
    15,56% Eastern european
    2,54% Benelux
    +traces..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matxe View Post
    Thank you Jonik! Yes definitely. I'd be very interrested in knowing how my lineage fits into the story, absolutely.
    Particularly in relation to how it fits in the story of germanic migrations into Britain, perhaps the danish vikings/settlers aswell.
    I have a 6th sense telling me it could reveal something pretty interresting, maybe for other people aswell.

    Your welcome to sponser me anytime LOL
    Only joking, yes i will be doing the test at some point.


    Hello Matxe,

    It’s nice meet you. While Z140 did manage to get around, a lot of them stayed in your area. See, for example, my small area of the tree. Which has a Nordic branch and British one right below it:

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3649/


    Unfortunately, we need more Danes like you to test and fill in the gap because the Swedes, Finns (and some Norwegians) are fairly avid testers.


    You never know, maybe you’ll match one of the samples below


    (1) Z140 — Goth — I15549 — Mediana, Serbia, 259-409 AD
    (2) Z140 — Military — I15545 — Timacum Minus, Serbia, 417-538 AD
    (3) Z140 — VK357 — Sweden, Kalmar lšn — 860- 996 AD
    (4) Z140 — VK327 — Denmark, Syddanmark — 870 - 1170 AD
    (5) Z140 — VK363 — Denmark, Syddanmark — 970 - 1070 AD
    (6) Z140 — VK 262 — England, Dorset — 970 - 1170 AD
    (7) Z140 — SBT-A1 — Iceland — 1020 AD
    (8) Z140 — VK337 — Sweden, Kalmar lšn — 1064-1184 AD
    (9) Z140 — TAQ009 — Tarquinia, Italy — Likely Medieval sample from the upcoming Etruscan paper.


    For more ancient samples, see Deadly77’s map:

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...RGi9YMSIzjeugI



    May I ask how you found out you’re Z140? Did you take a 23&me or LivingDNA test?
    Last edited by JMcB; 09-16-2021 at 05:46 PM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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