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Thread: Any members of the I-Z140 Project here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    As always nice work on both of your parts!

    Is there a link to the Z140 portion of the tree? Unfortunately, his clickable link doesn’t seem to work on an iPad. Perhaps, because it’s clickable but not touchable. ;-)
    It worked on my cell phone by touching the "Z140" and not the X, whether that's uniform among OS's I don't know.

    Thanks for passing this along Deadly77, hopefully there can be amendments made to the Phylogeographer for the one error on the map. Nice to see some mapping of the ancient I1 so far!
    Y-DNA: I-A14097(Scotland),
    Big Y: I-F2642>Y1966>Y3649>A13241>Y3647>A14097 (1,850 YBP)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
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    R-M222 x2, R-L21 x2, I-M223, R-S1141, R-U198 & R-U106, mtHg J1c3
    Known ancestry
    Paternal: Britain & Ireland, France and Germany
    Maternal: Netherlands

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    It worked on my cell phone by touching the "Z140" and not the X, whether that's uniform among OS's I don't know.

    Thanks for passing this along Deadly77, hopefully there can be amendments made to the Phylogeographer for the one error on the map. Nice to see some mapping of the ancient I1 so far!
    There you go, that’s the trick!

    Thanks, spruithean!
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 930 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 1075 AD) >A13243/YSEQ (circa 1660 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    I added a few branches of the I-Z140 tree to the I-Z140 Coggle diagram - additional new branches at YFull, branches on the FTDNA haplotree that are not at YFull, shared branches at the I-Z140 project. It'll never be complete (nor would I want it to be) but it's at least got some structure that is a composite of the main ones out there with a bit of a different visualization. As a result, it's "public" and Darin Flansburg, who very kindly hosts the Coggle has linked it to an overall I-M253 Coggle that he has been working on where I-Z140 and I-P109 are clickable links to more detailed subclade Coggles. To view the I-M253 coggle go here https://coggle.it/diagram/XC0kaeCE6k...5YgkZkZH3mlCFo
    Thanks deadly77 and thanks too for the tip spruithean. This is great work and nice to see my own terminal SNP there. Much appreciated.
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    JonikW - it appears that there is a new individual in your subgroup at I-Y98720 at the I1-Z140 project page at FTDNA. William says this is a new result and it's Big Y Y700. Not finished all processing yet so doesn't have the full list of novel SNPs, etc. but based on where FTDNA have him right now, looks closer to the other fellow from Cambridgeshire than yourself and your match from Sweden. Still, be interesting to see if he breaks up the block at I-A21901 further and might give us a better idea if Big Y Y700 is much of an improvement on Big Y Y500 compared to you and the other two once he's fully done.
    A week after this post I received an email from my Swedish match saying we now have a second new match at the I-Y98720 level in addition to this February one. So our small tree is growing fast. One of the new matches is going through the process on YFull, which is exciting and we're in contact with each other. I still don't see them on my Big Y matches list however. Is this because they've taken the BY700 test?
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    A week after this post I received an email from my Swedish match saying we now have a second new match at the I-Y98720 level in addition to this February one. So our small tree is growing fast. One of the new matches is going through the process on YFull, which is exciting and we're in contact with each other. I still don't see them on my Big Y matches list however. Is this because they've taken the BY700 test?
    Good to hear - some nice progress on your little twig on the tree, congrats - I saw this one in the I1-Z140 project.

    Yes, I think you're not seeing him in your Big Y match list because it's a Big Y Y700. From what I've read, FTDNA is currently sticking to their less than 30 non-matching variants threshold. The Big Y Y700 has coverage in regions that the Big Y Y500 doesn't cover, so there will be SNPs in those regions that you won't be able to match just because your test doesn't read those SNPs. Also, not all of his non-matching variants will be downstream of I-Y98720 - some may be upstream but weren't found in FTDNA tests before but they'll count towards the 30 threshold. Until FTDNA adjusts the threshold criteria for the match list to compensate for this (which I'm sure they will, but it may take a while) or adds the upstream SNPs to the correct positions on their haplotree, the matching for Y700 vs. Y500 kits is going to be a bit off kilter.

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