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    Interestingly, A1944 has subclades in Scotland & the Czech Republic.

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    From what I can see the A1944 group is pretty small. It looks like only three people have tested positive SNP for A1944. The Z140 project has divided two of them off into a subclade with SNP A2398 (and a few more) with earliest known ancestor Czech Republic and England (latter doesn't appear to be on YFull). Apart from those two, it's a group with one SNP tested (presumably SCO on YFull) and nine others predicted but not tested (including me). Most are confirmed to L338 and one to Z140. Some people are in the I1 project and some in the Z140 project but not a perfect overlap. In both of them Scotland comes up a lot and the surname Gordon. My own paper genealogy, I got back to my ggg-grandfather in Gateshead, County Durham, England in 1831 but I am fairly sure he was illegitimate. I get a lot of matches in the 5-7 range and more than half of them are Gordon, and several with Scotland as earliest ancestor. Within L338, S12289+ seems to have a lot more people and subclades. I'm not sure if that's down to larger percenatge of L338 or more people testing. Fairly new to this and trying to learn as I go along.

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    I am I1-Z2535/S1953+ [04dgpy] A2094+ A2108+ A2084+ Branch [S2001+ S1990+ FGC13287/Y4015+] . I am American but my ancestry is Danish and I have a close match who is Danish. The only other two relatively close matches we have are Swedish but probably from 1500- 2000 years ago.

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    Upon the recent discoveries in Poland of I-Z59 and I-Z63 it has raised my hopes for a possible discovery of I-Z140 (or perhaps its downstream SNPs) in some ancient DNA somewhere.

    Anyone know of any good readings pertaining to I-Z140 or any closely related SNP, be it downstream or upstream?
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    Hi all,
    I'm S12289 according to my Britain's DNA results and would like to get downstream of this, avoiding the FTDNA route. The YSEQ Z140 panel in the link below looks like a good choice, which I could later supplement by buying individual SNPs such as the Y7198 that I see some of you guys have. Can anyone give me some advice? I'm on a tight budget...

    http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php...ducts_id=43453
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    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    Hi all,
    I'm S12289 according to my Britain's DNA results and would like to get downstream of this, avoiding the FTDNA route. The YSEQ Z140 panel in the link below looks like a good choice, which I could later supplement by buying individual SNPs such as the Y7198 that I see some of you guys have. Can anyone give me some advice? I'm on a tight budget...

    http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php...ducts_id=43453
    In my opinion, YSEQ is the best option for customized SNP testing. Often less expensive than FTDNA, faster turnaround times and more options.

    The Z140 panel that you mention is a good coverage test that gets you a lot of bang for your buck if SNPs downstream of Z140 are unknown. However, since you know you're S12289 from Britain's DNA, I'd recommend a different approach. On the the YSEQ panel, downstream of S12289 are two branches - BY461/Y8333 (followed by 1 more SNP) and S1990 (followed by a lot more SNPs).

    In your case, I'd recommend ordering a single SNP test for S1990 from YSEQ for $18 plus $5 shipping. After this, they will have your sample in storage and you can order extra tests on the same sample.

    If you're positive for S1990, then order the Z140 panel to take advantage of the downstream SNPs available under that panel. If you're negative for S1990, the only possibilities under the panel are BY461 which you can then test for with an individual SNP test for less money than the panel and if you're negative for that one, then you can take the option to test the other known branches of S12289 which are A12704, A12722 and A4577.

    If you're negative for all of these, then you'll be on a previously undiscovered branch of S12289 and then the only way forward would be a NGS test or wait for someone to establish a new branch via NGS and then test their SNPs.

    Good luck - I'm L338+ but S12289- the Y7198 that you mentioned above is in the F2642 group so you won't be positive for that SNP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    In my opinion, YSEQ is the best option for customized SNP testing. Often less expensive than FTDNA, faster turnaround times and more options.

    The Z140 panel that you mention is a good coverage test that gets you a lot of bang for your buck if SNPs downstream of Z140 are unknown. However, since you know you're S12289 from Britain's DNA, I'd recommend a different approach. On the the YSEQ panel, downstream of S12289 are two branches - BY461/Y8333 (followed by 1 more SNP) and S1990 (followed by a lot more SNPs).

    In your case, I'd recommend ordering a single SNP test for S1990 from YSEQ for $18 plus $5 shipping. After this, they will have your sample in storage and you can order extra tests on the same sample.

    If you're positive for S1990, then order the Z140 panel to take advantage of the downstream SNPs available under that panel. If you're negative for S1990, the only possibilities under the panel are BY461 which you can then test for with an individual SNP test for less money than the panel and if you're negative for that one, then you can take the option to test the other known branches of S12289 which are A12704, A12722 and A4577.

    If you're negative for all of these, then you'll be on a previously undiscovered branch of S12289 and then the only way forward would be a NGS test or wait for someone to establish a new branch via NGS and then test their SNPs.

    Good luck - I'm L338+ but S12289- the Y7198 that you mentioned above is in the F2642 group so you won't be positive for that SNP.
    Thanks so much for your detailed reply. I really appreciate it and will start with S1990 as you recommend. I'll let you know how I get on.
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    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Sounds good. Good luck in getting downstream. We also have a Z140 facebook page for discussing results, which you're welcome to. It's mostly FTDNA based but the admin is really good and will take data from FGC, YSeq and Britain's DNA as well. Go here if you're interested: https://www.facebook.com/groups/I1.Z140.YDNA.Project/

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    Sounds good. Good luck in getting downstream. We also have a Z140 facebook page for discussing results, which you're welcome to. It's mostly FTDNA based but the admin is really good and will take data from FGC, YSeq and Britain's DNA as well. Go here if you're interested: https://www.facebook.com/groups/I1.Z140.YDNA.Project/
    Cheers. Much appreciated. Had an email from YSEQ today saying they've received my kit.
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    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Hi again. Surprisingly got my results back already but don't know how to interpret them. Can someone help and advise me what to test next?
    Quick results summary:
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    12695 FGC30202ChrY14576661 14576661 C-12695 FGC50958ChrY14576664 14576664 C-12695 PH2445ChrY14576704 14576704 G-12695S1990ChrY14576643 14576643 G-12695Y34386ChrY14576534 14576534 T-12695Z10761ChrY14576678 14576678 G-12695ZS10516ChrY14576757 14576757 A-
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    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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