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Thread: Z253 (L21>DF13>Z253) includes Irish III & IV and Iberian

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    No, Mr Roman 278356 has not joined the Z253 Project or tested for Z253. He certainly fits the off-modal pattern for 253-1121 nicely, with the same 9 of 10 off-modals that Dan has.

    Neal, I would really appreciate an approach to him on Swedish if that is possible. The other Swedish kit who I think is Z253+ and fits this variety is Longacre 6475, who has not joined the Z253 Project either.

    The members of this variety who are confirmed Z253+ are as follows:
    Carrucan 71421 Ireland
    Heffernan 219896 Ireland
    Rawlings 117152 England
    Deady 218167 Ireland
    Boen 229805 Norway
    Moore 169385 zzz
    Bermingham 110368 Ireland
    Butler 190463 Ireland
    Cursonwhit 29145 ? Netherlands
    Campion N20431 Ireland
    zzz 129839
    Hartmann 223531 Germany

    There is also a Player y8CE9C who fits the STRs and indicated that he had ordered a Z253 test, but has not replied to follow-up emails.

    Mike has another 11 in his spreadsheet as members of this variety who have not tested for Z253 (including Walls, Roman and Longacre).

    I've found a few more in Ysearch, but they haven't replied to my emails:
    Cocks yBD87C
    Dennison yJCYYU
    Hammond yKHQXS
    Daniels y8JB52
    Hamilton yES6Z4
    All match on at least 8 of the 10 off-modals in the first 67 markers, including 537=11 and 520=21, the two slowest off-modals which I presume make up the 1121 in the 253-1121 name.

    Hopefully this group will turn out to have its own SNP in due course. The absence (so far) of members of Iberian and French descent is interesting for Z253, given the geographical spread of this variety.

    Greg H

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    Walls 98649 has the Z253 test pending, expected results on 7/22/2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoxgi View Post
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    So I would really like to see a member of this variety do more extensive SNP testing - Geno 2.0, WTY or even a full genome; there should be one or more SNPs below Z253 in this group. Any takers?

    Greg H
    My Geno 2.0 test is on its way back to the lab.

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    Hey Greg,

    I just sent Mr. Roman an e-mail about Z253 testing. His most distant ancestor is from Orslosa, northeast of Gothenburg, and in Vastergotland province.


    Neal

    EDIT: I also e-mailed Mr. Longacre about testing for Z253, as I found his e-mail from February saying he was ready to order. He must have forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mooredan View Post
    My Geno 2.0 test is on its way back to the lab.
    That's great news Dan. Hopefully an SNP applicable to your 253-1121 variety will turn up in your results.

    I've summarized the Geno 2.0 results for Z253 below, based on David Reynolds' table.

    PF825.2 was found to be under Z253 by Geno 2.0 tests and has now been added to the ISOGG tree. There are now five PF825+ results in the 253-1716-Mc variety in Mike's spreadsheet, so PF825 appears to be a reliable marker for this group.

    The other "new" SNPs under Z253 found in Geno 2.0 have not been particularly helpful. Testing for F4036 appears to have been stopped by FTDNA after one positive result. L430 also has only one positive result and apparently is located in an unstable region of the Y-chromosome. PF1557 has one positive result and quite a few negative ones, and the only Z253+ PF1557+ person has not yet done any STR testing.

    Hiowever one useful SNP from four isn't that bad.

    GregH

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    Thanks again Neal for all your assistance.

    This 253-1121 group is Z2534-. The other large Z253+ variety which is Z2534- is 253-1716 and its various subgroups, most of which have tested for Z2534, all with negative results.

    There are five other Z253+ varieties in Mike's spreadsheet which have not yet tested for Z2534; these are:

    253-1410
    253-2310
    253-9828
    253-1130 (Z2534 test in progress)
    253-5689 (Z2534 test in progress)

    Excluding the above groups and the L554+, PF825+ and L1308+ groups, the rest of Z253 is Z2534+. So Z2534 splits Z253 into two large groups. Anyone who is Z253+ and not a member of a variety which has already tested for Z2534 should certainly do so.

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    No problem, Greg. Did you try contacting the administrators for the Swedish DNA Project to get a hold of Roman? I was thinking of going that route next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoxgi View Post
    This 253-1121 group is Z2534-.
    Is it safe to say the 253-1121 is PF825- as well? Maybe better to ask, has anyone from this group tested for PF825? ...if so, what were the results? (unfortunately, libreoffice on my mac has a hard time with Mike's spreadsheet )

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    Dan, that's a good question.

    Most of the people in 253-1121 match on at least 8 of the 10 off-modals for this variety and none of them have tested for PF825. There are a couple of people who seem to me to be towards the fringes of this group, one of whom is Hartman 223531, who has tested PF825-. Mike has him as unassigned in the spreadsheet, but he shares 5-6 off-modals with 253-1121 and also shares some with the PF825+ people, so I think his PF825- result is indicative that PF825 may be limited to the one group (253-1716-Mc) - which has theb only six PF825+ results so far.

    In any case, PF825 is part of the Geno 2.0 test, so your results will be helpful, as you're a "classic" 253-1121 person on your off-modal STRs.

    BTW, Walls 98649 has just tested Z253+ as well. Thanks for recruiting him.

    GregH

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    Yes, I suspect that I'll be PF825- and I do see that the test part of the Geno 2.0 test.

    My L554, Z2185 and L1066 tests were part of the same batch as Walls' Z253 test -- mine all came in negative. With he and I being GD=5 at 111 markers, I suspect that we'll fall inline all the way with SNP testing. (if we ignore my oddball DYS426=13, then we're GD=4 at 111!) Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any common ancestor. He actually matches better with another Moore at ancestry.com, but again no common ancestor can be found with him or me.

    Got confirmation that the Geno 2.0 test was received today, so I'm back in wait mode to see what turns up (or doesn't).

    Also, I got a reply from Mr. Roman today, so there's life at the other end of the email. He may be interested in further testing, but wants to take some time educating himself more -- this business has been a low priority, especially with the short summers in Scandinavia.

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